You can make 4 million yen making Dojinshi
4 million??
Konnichi wa!
I can't beat that
Hello! - Hi I'm Mikey
Mikey's back today
And today we have a guest - I'm guest
illustrator, director... - various things
Artist tony
I've been wanting to ask an industry Manga assistant Artist tony
I've been wanting to ask an industry Manga assistant
What kind of Manga is popular in Japan right now?
what's popular in Japan now is...
Survival horror etc
Thing like death game manga
Well, that boom is coming down a bit recently
But even still, it's booming
Is there a particular reason?
I wonder...
Because there are many characters
You can find a character that you align with
You can choose someone you sympathize with
So, death game manga is getting closer to Idol culture?
Idol culture? Ah, well...perhaps -It must be
Having many characters is... - good isn't it
Well, that way you can picture yourself in it
hmmm
Characters, or rather, is there a prevailing style in Japan?
e.g., super realistic?
or becoming super moe?
Becoming moe?
moe moe...kyun?
like, a formless blob of slime?
Well, maybe nothing that specific but
now, there's so many mangas
yeah
I can't really say there's one prevailing trend right now
Why is that I wonder? - Yes, do tell
Well, basically, there's just so many out there and also
Perhaps, every is in to their specific interests
so it's unlikely it'll all focus on one thing
For people who aren't yet serialized...
People who really want to get published
Is there no real need to aim for a particular style?
well...
The most standard situation is draw it yourself
Bring it to a publisher
Have them look at it
Then if it's good enough, someone represents you
The editor etc
You talk back and forth, make a good manga
Then it goes to a meeting
If you get that far
Then you get published. That's the most standard flow
but these days, there's social media
You can post your own manga
doesn't even have to a be a finished piece
just a rough draft
Then go what they call 'viral'
Then the publishers contact you
they say 'would you like to make a book' - wow, turned on its head
Wow - this style also happens
Music is like that too
ok then, so now companies are riding the wave of individuals?
To put it simply, yes
Rather than putting out a manga that might not succeed
They instead put something that already has a customers
Sales-wise, it's easier
It sounds safer
indeed, there are already customers for it
recently I've been meeting to many mangakas
When I ask them "Where can I read your work?"
They often refer to apps like LINE
Are mangakas aiming for that instead now?
It's related to what I mentioned before
there's the publisher route
you draw, talk to an editor, decide if it's good
it goes to the meeting, and it's decided there. a long process
And, if it's not selected at the meeting...
If you're unlucky, that's months, even years lost
well, if you draw quickly and can do it yourself then you can continue
Then publish it yourself digitally online
You can make a number of place to sell it
so, it's not like paper manga is over?
They're not aiming for digital publication specifically
not noticeably so
but, compared to before, digital has certainly increased
Because of speed?
There's that, but also unsold paper is a loss
If you make 10,000 copies
but then only sell 7000 copies
With digital there's no loss
for publishers, it's preferable
it's safe - somewhat, yes
haha, "somewhat safe"
Can one say that manga is safe really?
regarding manga face style
is the style big eyes like betty boop?
or Atom Boy
Or is it more realistic now?
well, there are trends here and there but
Compared to the past, it's not so noticeable
in the past maybe it was common to have large eyes
but recently, it's more about content
There's also the style preferred by the readers of each specific magazine
There are very unique styles too
But personally, I wouldn't say there's a strong prevailing overall style
About older manga
like from the 60s and 70s
I feel I can say "This is old style"
but this generation I feel like
Probably it's harder to categorize
If we are to look at it in that way then
Older manga has thicker lines
There's what's called 'kakesen' and 'byousen' lines
Even the hatching lines for shadow, old manga had lots of that
About recent teen boys manga,
There's also the hatching lines in manga like Kingdom
but more often there's tone instead
That way it feels lighter too
well, that's how it seems for teen and boy targeted manga
I have been using digital only. Do you mostly use digital or analog?
The studio I work at is analog
But for personal work I work digitally
I'd say actually it's about 50/50
for teen manga artists digital can be too expensive
for that reason they go analog sometimes
When they start to make money, they can move to digital
but conversely there are the older manga artists who struggle with digital so they stick with analog
They're around still
I can't say it's definitely one or the other
Personally I prefer analog
but, my work is considerably mass production
And I don't know what will be a big hit
So if there's a lot of work to do I think digital is better
I simply thought young people always went digital
but indeed, it's expensive
But I heard a mangaka won a prize for smartphone manga
eh? - A mangaka drew on his smartphone and won a prize
a smartphone manga won the prize??
That's crazy!
I heard it happened
Amazing - I'd have to check the details
if you're not starting up as a 'proper' mangaka
then even without digital tools, I think it's fine to start with even just your phone
So, thinking about what's popular first...
and copying that...doesn't guarantee success does it?
Regarding what's popular now...
Well, you'll probably guarantee a certain amount of return
But I think it'd be hard to get a breakaway success that way
Things like food-themed manga are popular
Food manga?
like in dungeons etc - heading into the dungeon
like, how long can we survive on nothing but monster meat?
well umm...it does exist
So if you can ride trends
You can probably make a living at first
but I haven't seen such manga go on to be big hits
hmm
In the west self-publishing is very popular
Make it yourself
but in Japan, it's uncommon isn't it?
Doing manga independently is quite uncommon
but, when it comes to 'dojinshi'
Instead of printing with at a publisher, they print themselves
And they can put books together that way
but, regarding domestic sales in Japan
It's not your copyright so you can't advertise
you have more power with a publisher
Also, going independent means dealing with taxes etc
You take risks etc
About the people generally in the manga industry
many people have little experience working in companies
at most it's usually part-time work here and there
many people jump straight into manga
so, they're often unfamiliar with things like sorting out tax
So publishing independent can be kinda risky
So for many it's too difficult
About living
Can you sell dojinshi at events like 'comiket'
and cover living expenses with the profits alone?
Actually, I happen to know one...only one
He sold so much dojinshi he was able to buy a car and a house
I'm moved!
I'm off to go draw
The thing with dojinshi is...
While some is original
generally speaking, it's fan-works
so, people are doing it as a hobby
but, once the main series fades out...so will the fan works
It's not something that can be continued forever
You can't control your destiny
So, there's not so many living off dojinshi sales?
the person I mentioned just now is pretty high level
I don't think there are many like that
But if you can sell consistently
in a year, you can make maybe 4 million yen
4 million?
they exist it seems
Wow
Thinking of money I just space out
Well, that's a successful example
of course, there are plenty who make no profit from it
Of course yes
In that case, it remains a hobby?
yes, though dojinshi is generally done because they like it
People don't usually plan to make a living off it
So, that's different between manga and dojinshi
They don't think of it as a job
Also, particularly this year
Marvel movies are really popular
About American comics...
There's a lot of realistic styles
Has it influenced Japanese Manga?
I wonder...
I haven't seen many manga that were influenced by Marvel comics
Me too, haven't seen many
EH??
I like Marvel too but... - yeah, even though Marvel comics are so great
It doesn't seem to hit big in Japan ever
American Comics are generally quite realistic
so for Japanese people who've read them
It's a hobby but doesn't really hit big
There are mangaka here who super love Marvel comics
But there aren't many who have put marvel influence into their own work
There's a few
Let's take Darkhorse's Hellboy for example
It's a really unique style
Would that be no good in Japan?
Japanese people can be often conservative
It's uncommon to approach brand new things
It's more common to like things they've always loved
we tend not to go on big adventures
So american comics do what they do
And Japan's manga do what they do
We're used to that
So it's not about which is better, just harder to try other things
If you're making a manga from scratch
then even if your style is very unique
perhaps the safest route is...
to go with something Japanese people are likely to purchase
Yes, perhaps. - So at least put in a bit of that
if you want to make a living off it
Then look up what's popular
And think about the design
and then, choose a job that isn't manga
Haha, well, can't say anything there
Everyone has different reasons for drawing manga
Some really must go with their personal style
Some really want to go with their own story
The risk is higher
If it doesn't work out, it's tough luck
But if that's ok with you, then you keep going
if you must make a living off manga
it's better to do your research, see what's popular and go from there
Western and Japanese styles are different...
but if there's a story we want to tell
Could we work with a Japanese manga artist?
I've not really heard of people doing it that way
Even if there were
There's the national characteristics
Like, the living culture of the people
National character is deeply ingrained
Even if you have a kind of story to tell
it's possible that some nuances can't be changed
or even if listening to the story of the author
It's likely that it'll get changed for Japanese taste
Whether it can be told accurately, is tough
So, a story that Japanese people will understand
rather, a story Japanese people can sympathize with
Story is also...
haha, "Story is also..."
Story is 'also' important
Story is indeed, important isn't it?
yes, though if you do a hero story
to an extent Japanese can sympathize with that
like in Marvel
But there are also worldwide hits that didn't work in Japan
So there's a difference there
This really is my personal hobby
but I watch a lot of Street Fighter
There's a guy called Tokido
and a guy called Daigo Umehara
They battled
in the end, one of them lost
and it was a serious shock for him
Everyone's comments were...
"ANIME IS REAL"
Anime is real
Indeed, I thought,
In Japan, it can be difficult even if you win
it's such a Japanese style story
it's what Japan gave the world
What Japan gave us?
Yes of course
I had no idea
So, for people beginning now
Those who want to make their own manga
and then get published
Then use twitter
you can get popular yourself
There is such a path
It's definitely possible
Which is better, twitter or Instagram?
Japan is probably twitter
It seems Instagram is bigger in the west
Or so I heard - yea it seems
If you're not aiming only for Japan, then put it on instagram too
In the west, we have Deviant Art
It's like Pixiv
Manga on Pixiv
doesn't have so many views does it?
compared to Twitter
How much are people checking Pixiv type sites?
it's not as powerful as twitter
but for illustration work
when people hire illustrators they look at pixiv
I've heard they do
More than Manga
so, I guess manga is twitter then
In Japan yes
What about LINE?
Can you share on LINE?
Like, on your homepage?
If you can't, only friends see it
It's friends only
well, for my manga...
Even friends won't read it.
It's common in America
for characters like Batman to die
but it's bad for business
and so he comes back to life
it's common
it's less common in Japan right?
It does sometimes happen in Japan
like in "blank-blank-juku"
they died, then appeared in the sky
But then later they swoop in and save the day
But with character death
it really moves people
but, if they come back it's like 'oh, they're not dead?'
if that repeats
people get fed up
in America, we don't get tired of characters
many people's dreams is to finally write batman stories
even if it takes 20 years
They feel "Finally, I am writing Batman's story"
Japanese creators want to give birth to their own characters right?
well, yea
There are people who also want to revive old characters
but, in the end...
It's like you'll never really beat the original
So in the end
You're grateful they created this world for you
and maybe it's not all mangaka who think this but...
One want to ride their own story
and get to the top that way
As I thought...ANIME IS REAL
Anime is real folks!
So...there we have it
If you wanna be a mangaka
There are so many roads
yes there are
So you should all draw manga
show us characters we haven't seen
draw them please - we're waiting
Are you taking submissions?
Nope, you upload it twitter. I'll read it for free
Ah, that's good
That's not good
Th..thank you!
oh, thank you
ending so suddenly
Yes - yes
It's like that
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