Hey guys it's Lauren and Emily here with mentor Monday thanks for joining us if
this is your first time joining mentor Monday this is when we are going to
answer your career questions and I'm Lauren McGoodwin, founder and CEO of
Career Contessa and we're really lucky because we're joined by special guest
Emily Schumann of Cupcakes and Cashmere. Okay so on the off chance someone
doesn't know who you are, why don't you tell them who you are and what you do.
On the off chance guys yeah my name is Emily Schumann and I run Cupcakes and
Cashmere, and we're going on almost 10 years, which is right around
the corner thank you it's yeah crazy but basically
it started as just a website and since then we've kind of just continued to
expand we now have two books, and a clothing line, bedding line, lighting line,
and then most recently we launched our own e-commerce. That's amazing. I feel
like when you started this you had no idea what it was gonna come to but you
stuck with it! I did. And I think that's like one of the more important things,
you know I think that one of those like kind of key words that you hear so
often I was like authenticity and I think so much of where that came from
for me it was that there was no career path right any means yeah I was just
like really bored at my day job—shout out to all of you guys who are like on
your phones not really um paying attention at work...that was me pretty much all the time I would like
finish my work by 10:00 a.m. and then I was like just looking for something to
do that I felt like was using my brain and writing about things that I was
inspired by so yeah I didn't start it with the idea of turning it into any
kind of career I just was doing things that I loved. Well that certainly helps
it's funny I actually found your blog was one of the first blogs I found and
it was a job where I started at 8:30, I was done at 9:30
and then I went on the internet looking and that's where I first discovered
blogs and it was amazing and it was a whole new yeah I was a whole new world
if you want to kill eight hours a day at work that's how you do it ya know it was
amazing so it's it's great that you've been doing it for ten years most people
like I haven't done anything for ten years I think about that like my life is
in like four year increments you know? High school, college, life! Right. I
feel the same way—I mean luckily, now I have a relationship ten years as my
husband I celebrated ten years of being together also, so maybe the older you get
the more you're able to like hit those like big milestones. At least the
things that you're really passionate about and care deeply about again. Well I
also think in the beginning you're so like I don't wanna say impatient as if
it's a negative thing but you're really a patient to like make your mark and
after a while I think you're probably a little bit more okay with it taking
longer right I want it to take longer but I'm gonna do it right exactly and I
think that's the main thing I hear from a lot of people that are like hey I'm
starting the blog like how should I do it how do I get big and yeah you know I
think it's one of those things that anything that you do well should take
time like if you do find overnight success I feel like that's not the goal
but yeah then you'll kind of slip away as well like the goal was never to be
like an it girl or some way like of the moment like that is the furthest from
what I am and I think just like maintaining and you know that's that's
really important if you can kind of stay where you are and obviously make small
changes and move forward and yeah absolutely so most of you probably know
this but with Mentor Monday you submit questions for us to answer ahead of time
so we advertised this last night and we're doing this Instagram live on
Career Contessa channels and on Emily Schumann's Instagram so you can join
either of the lives and also ask us questions there but we had some come in
already so since we're talking about authenticity we'll go straight to that
one so um I thought this was really interesting because this person said
most people filter what they share about their personal life with colleagues and
business associates since sharing intimate moments of your life is
basically part of your job since you are your brand how do you balance privacy
and professionalism while still remaining authenticity well as well
move on we know it yeah yeah this is a funny question because anyone who really
knows me I would say would say that I'm not really someone who keeps things that
like then this goes from my previous jobs to the one now running this company
is that I'm not really one who keeps things first of all I'm like just
terrible with secrets in general but but but I feel like it's one of those things
that um I I find that the more truthful I am to Who I am yes like that's that's
what's always felt right to me and so as I've gone and the interesting thing is
too I've gone from you know being essentially an assistant at two
different jobs right to then running a company and being the CEO so I
definitely missed a few really important steps which I've learned a lot in these
few years but I would say that I've always just kind of operated under the
assumption that just being upfront is the most important thing I think because
so much of cupcakes in Kashmir is truly based on my own life
I would be doing myself a disservice if I wasn't kind of being grateful with my
employees and I think one of the things too about my management style is I think
that's such an important thing that like yes I might come in and and I might cry
in front of my employees if something really sad has happened or if I'm
feeling frustrated or if I've had a fight with my mom whatever it is I've
always just been like very very open and I think that kind of allows for a
certain kind of intimacy within a company yeah that being said there is
always a balancing act to be to be had and I think one of the things that I've
always strived for is is to make sure that there is a line that doesn't get
crossed in terms of like look we're all family here it's a very intimate office
you know there are no seven of us but I think it's important to know that there
there are limits and when work needs to be discussed yes that's really important
but that I want everyone to come in and feel like
they can talk about things even oh yeah especially because so much of our
content than stems from that that way about something I'm like oh yeah
interesting post hear about that because we all have that way right oftentimes
when we are just talking that's when we have the best ideas yeah absolutely and
I think it's interesting because you have a company of seven but even if you
had a company of 300 um you know I know you were an assistant before but like
for people who are working in more corporate space I think this is a
question they're always wondering it's like how much would I share about my
personal life or is that too personal and I think you always know your own you
know what you're a couple your boundaries and what you're willing to
share what you're not and my thought is like with 300 people maybe you start
slow and work your weight and yeah but also you can take your cues from the
people around you like if they're sharing about their significant others
and their babies and whatnot then go ahead and share that part yeah um if
they're not sharing about the fights that they had with their mom then okay
you don't do that you know I always think leaders sort of create the culture
around them and that's like as a leader that's important to be like aware of too
so that's promising and I think too you know I want to kind
of promote an atmosphere in an environment where people come to work if
you had something really bad happen or having a bad day like let's talk about
it and then kind of like try to move past it or yeah you need some time to
yourself like you know especially in a creative job where I think it's so
important like you're not going to be doing your best work if something is
really bothering you and so I think it's really important and something that I
encouraged with everyone right as comfortable as they are to share just
because you know that's that's the way that I got and so so far that's that's
worked well best part with right or 7-point well there's nothing worse than
being like I'm walking on eggshells around this person like I know they're
upset I don't know if it's me and then you find out later no they just I don't
know they had like terrible traffic this morning and put a bad mood so sometimes
like sharing is a good thing exactly it can get really therapy there yeah okay
so lastly I know you've been getting a lot of questions as well you can hit us
with your next one Florida Instagram DMS before starting
this and we got a lot of questions about how to how to balance a career with a
family and I know Emily this is something that you deal a lot with and
something that Savannah who deemed earlier asked was her son just turned
one and a lot of her friends are stay-at-home moms but she works
full-time and she says that she experiences a lot of mom guilt and was
wondering if you could speak specifically to mom guilt yes I'll take
this one on yeah mom guilt is like oh it's all so funny just cuz thinking
about it I hadn't actually really thought much about this but um I don't I
don't think I have one mom friend who is a stay-at-home mom that's interesting
yeah so kind of just interesting that like the kind of people that you're
around yes um the funny thing is I got advice about mom guilt long before I
became a mom and it just kind of like stuck with me and um it was actually my
friend amber who runs a really incredible interior design business and
she's a mom and she's like yeah mom guilt is such a thing like yeah you know
people want to make you feel bad if you're balancing a career way and being
a mother and she said I just don't let it get to me she's like the amazing mom
I have such an incredible relationship with my daughter and I found that so
refreshing just yeah because I think especially as women we're so quick to
judge and be so hard on herself very and especially when when you open up your
life yeah absolutely dia it's like all kinds of last week someone was like why
don't you switch owns hair more often like I love the table but I don't know
what I switch it up and I'm like let me guess you don't have a toddler B yeah
especially toddler girls um they have like they're beyond opinionated she's
like it's a major so it is an interesting thing to open up your life
just because so many people feel is then they can tell you they're involved yeah
invested in so that they you know offer their their feedback quite often but
yeah I think mom guilt is one of the things that I really just try to like I
really am just trying to get rid of you guys ever since hearing my friend amber
talk about that it's been a conscious decision on my part right to not feel
guilty about balance because I find that I'm the best mother
I can be because I feel fulfilled and happy and the time that I have with
Sloane who's three years old is just so focused on her you know I never get it
back yeah I'll never have it back I have every morning with her and every evening
when I come home our weekends are spent doing everything together and I feel
like you know both of my parents worked all the time and I have a really
incredible relationship with them so yeah I think like if you are someone who
is balancing you know both a career and motherhood like yeah just don't let
yourself feel that guilt yeah the best you can know that every time that you're
at work be in work mode and then when you get home try to compartmentalize as
much as possible and be there for your child so that you're like I'm the best
mom I can be yeah I have a question my friend works for a
big ad agency which are notoriously known for very very long hours and fini
we work in advertising you know this so she had a pretty long maternity leave
which was great she went back to work and she just feels like she has to make
FaceTime all the time or her baby six months like do you think this mom guilt
is like extremely strong in the beginning and then you kind of are like
I'm just used to you potentially like thinking that I should be in the office
more or maybe you think I need to be home more like do you think it gets
easier I'm just curious like she's still pretty new to being a mom yeah and like
you have so many hormones that are going back like she's probably peeing a ton
yeah I mean again I think that you know again I feel very fortunate to run my
own company and yeah and we have one other mom within the company we actually
just hired another girl who's also mothers yeah it'll be nice to have have
that you know camaraderie yeah and in the office but you know it's it's funny
because I think that potential for mom guilt is always there it starts early I
mean and you know probably never truly goes away so that's why I think so much
of the onus is on the mom would you much kind of sauce yeah but at the same time
I think I yeah you have to shift your mind yeah
that and kind of put forward what you're willing to do the hours you're willing
to wait and what your what you find acceptable if you know you have a
culture within your company that is like oh you're supposed to be answering
emails at all hours of the day like when I go home I'm done I'm yeah answering
emails yeah like and so I think that's been really important for me to again
like yeah that compartmentalization a thing so that I'm focused on being a mom
when I'm gonna yeah and for all of you that are watching a career contesta we
have company profiles and there are a lot of companies out there that support
women who work and support moms they offer paid family leave and then
resources when you come back including like flexible work policy so I agree
with what you're saying is like also find a company like find a company that
has mom 100% understands what it means to be a mom like if you work at a
company it's all men like that could be difficult or company where it's like I
don't know a lot of startup companies can have this where the average age is
23 make right there's probably not a whole lot of moms there so just finding
a company that I think respects that too for it's like a good long-term strategy
probably for that as well okay so we've got more questions on our end you have
some questions too lastly I know you're catching them live yeah so Jill after a
Facebook group and this is more of an interview related question but okay it's
one that a lot of people have when you have an interview do you get the real
reason you left a job even if their results and having to say bad things
about your past employer okay so never say bad things about your past employer
I'm sure you do a lot of interviewing too but like I when I interview people I
this is not the time to like gossip about your past company and really if
you're gossiping about them you'll probably gossip about us story our
company or something like that so um I like to tell people to always rephrase
so if someone says why did you leave a company you can say you know I left for
for various reasons professional and personal here's why I'm really
interested in this role so you can like really change the conversation around to
be about why you're excited about this company and that role um most of the
time they're not gonna pride too much but at least I don't pry but my
sometimes I will ask that just to see how you're gonna answer to see if you're
gonna be a negative I don't know you probably get that question too or yeah I
mean and I think so much of the interview process is about kind of
getting a feel for what kind of person right all right yeah you know an
interview is all about being very diplomatic and like so many like you
know awkward Sage's and so yeah I think that that says more about who you are
right okay then your previous employer yeah and I also think that you have to
understand like if there's a gap in your resume or something like that you want
them to ask this question because you don't want them to assume and make up
their own story line you want to be able to say like well actually I left for
this reason we I don't know I wasn't getting that project or that project
ended so then I moved on here like I actually like hearing the story that
people tell and that's another thing what you're saying is like how can you
tell a story can you answer this in a way that is not gonna be gossiping and
it's still effective and why you're here and why you want this role so hopefully
that helps I know interviews are always stuff like but you know what they're
tough for don't you think they're tough for us to like when you interview people
aren't you nervous - that's the thing it's like when you remember back to like
when you were in school I was always like the youngest in a new class sounds
like I went that usually yeah yeah in the right place but it's like the
teacher is probably really nervous yeah especially in college when you have like
huge auditory yeah it's like you just never can see the other perspective
right till you're I know it's funny and if you ever and I know you do a lot of
public speaking but when you all seven realize like actually all the eyeballs
are looking at you and like you're expected to perform you're like
nightmare okay trust me I think this is hard for me than yells definitely harder
okay I'm gonna take another one that came in through career contessa which
was all about management mistakes so this person's a first-time manager your
manager now what's been your biggest mistake and how have you overcome it
because we all know that people are learning how to manage all the time yeah
so I mean people go to school just to learn how to become managers yeah
something that I've learned as I've gone because again you know I've done this
for 10 years but when I left my other full-time job I was 24 years old and had
still just been late entry-level like a an assistant and so I
literally had no management experience prior to is your 24 that's normal
totally normal but um you know I think my biggest thing in running my own
company and like having so much of it based on my own experience it's such a
deeply personal thing so for me a lot of it was just like letting go of the reins
a bit yeah like and trusting in in people that they're going to do it and
they're gonna do it well yeah and knowing too if things aren't done
perfectly that's a great learning opportunity yeah I'm certainly someone
who can be a bit of a perfectionist and I want to get things right the first day
right and that sets like pretty like unrealistic expectations so one of the
biggest things that I've tried to both teach my employees and also myself is
that not whether you're going to make mistakes but that mistakes are going to
happen and then it's just really what you do with them that really tells about
who you are as a manager and how they are you know that it's gonna happen
acknowledge it apologize and figure out how you're not going to have that same
thing happen again yeah I don't think people bring their best self to work
when you're leading by fear or intimidation like inspiration a hundred
percent if it doesn't work out saying why didn't this work out and I also
think um I think for entrepreneurs - this happens where it's like you do it
all yourself a lot in the beginning and then you have to delegate and like just
because they do differently than the way you would do it doesn't mean it's bad or
anything like that it's a matter of like you both seen different sides of that
perspective which is obviously why diversity in a company is super
important because you want to see that the other side's I know I I think my
biggest management mistake is sometimes being not focused enough with them so
like telling them to like this is our big overarching goal but like they want
to come to work and they want to own something they want to be really good at
their job right like these people it's great you want people that want to be
good at their job but as a leader it's like you have to make sure they
understand what that is and how it contributes to the business and I
definitely have not articulated that at times and it
like you said like I wasn't a manager before I'm learning as I go
and always learning from the mistake and mean like alright I need it I got one
should have been a little smoother you know but yes to anyone who's a
first-time manager I think you just you just do it you know and you get better
at it and like you said there are people who go to school you can hire
professionals to help you as well read a lot of books have you read any
management books or podcasts or anything like that definitely you know dabbled
here and there but I think more than anything it really comes down to open
communication and yeah both yeah yeah so that you kind of have that you
know set up by by monthly by yeah yeah I check in with people and you know again
it's all about how you are speaking with one another making sure that you have
good systems in place so things don't slip through that bad or if there is an
issue that goes either way yeah make sure that there is like a you know a
forum where you feel comfortable talking to one another
just so that you can then address things so that they don't get ya too big giving
and receiving feedback I think top skill of like to be a
successful human in this world all right Leslie you have another one
from your side yeah so this is a question that we've received both in our
Facebook group and Indiana's from Stephanie and from Jessica and it's
what's the best way to explore or shift careers when you're older ie beyond
internship yeah well I'll go based off of my my side of this cuz I have
definitely shifted a lot of my so I started my career working as an admin
assistant then I was a recruiter and now I'm running career contests oh so if you
didn't know the background basically I've just started my career over three
times and made it more difficult than I needed to make it but I think um I know
internships always feel really young but what I really recommend is informational
interviews so if you know that you want to shift into influencer marketing or
something like that go find someone who works in that industry works for a
company that you love and see if you can have coffee with them or see if you have
20 minutes of their time I'm sure you get asked this kind of stuff all the
time so it's like maybe don't pick Emily Schumann as the top person you need to
have a phone call with maybe you start with someone that works at cupcakes in
cashmere instead or like I remember one I wanted to be a recruiter I reached out
to 70 recruiters on LinkedIn I didn't know any of MA
thirty of them got back to me right and so I always say kind of going back to
like the management mistakes like you put it out there you try it like don't
be afraid of no don't be afraid of someone saying like no I can't talk to
you it's like you know the and so I would say if internships aren't a fit
because you think you're too old go for informational interviews and I'm sure
you've hired people who are transitioning careers and I always like
when people are transitioning careers I think it's a good thing to have someone
who says I've been doing this but I want to bring this expertise to learn how to
be an expert in that and not have it be like oh I'm just gonna roll this skill
right over here and make your company work exactly the way I was doing it
before so yeah I mean I couldn't agree more and I think that you know you're
never too old for a career change and that's really important to find things
that you're passionate about and excited by I agree with kind of informational
interviews and networking and yeah it's such a buzz where they know I'm about
eight using networking like has just there's like such a stigma so yeah
negative thing like a transaction like I'll do this you and you do this for me
and we've actually written posts about networking yeah I literally asked my
best friend to write a post for us because it is definitely not my strong
suit I've never been great about asking for things cuz I'm like I can do this I
can do yeah yeah and I've only found like the older I get like just how
crucial it is to ask me I help when you need it and you know that there are ways
to kind of pay it forward if you will yes you've kind of gotten help and
advice from someone who's helped you by networking like either reach back out to
them and we're going to offer help with anything or then you know kind of pay it
forward to the next person that you can help I think the most important thing if
you're kind of looking for a career change too is become like really
knowledgeable like right yeah find out about the industry you
know figure out your strengths yeah I got your weaknesses to kind of come up
with whatever your next best step is and literally of course like reach out to
people send a follow-up think you know you know what again like so much of a
career change or you know getting the the real job that you want comes down to
being like extraordinarily proactive yeah absolutely nothing is gonna happen
and just like fall into your lap so you don't need to be like you know that
whole saying like the squeaky wheel gets the grease
they kind of need to like just be like annoyingly prescient obviously not when
you're like reaching out to be yeah but like just like finding out as much
information as you can is yes you know I always say to like get creative like
okay so the job you want didn't land in your lap it doesn't ever land in your
lap but get creative on how to become an expert online learning classes talking
to people if that person says no go find another person you know like there's not
one type of influencer marketer there's not one type of recruiter they're you
know they're like I said 7230 that means I had fifty percent of the people I
reached out to don't need to buzz off you don't mean so I I agree with you I
think consistency and persistent and with networking I think it almost
becomes a seal like not can you network and build new relationships but can you
maintain them like those are the people where you're just like whoa hats off to
you that you have me I mean that these relationships for years yeah and one of
the tricks again not necessarily one that I always follow because I'm like
but my friend literally is she sets reminders yeah in her calendar to like
just reach out and I think they're like yeah once every year twice a year yeah
that you're just reaching out to someone via email hey there yeah opt-in to my
head I hope you're well yeah of you or you still insane but just got whatever
did it has to kind of maintain that relationship yeah so again that they
feel comfortable reaching out to you and then vice versa at some point yeah I
always pick a holiday if you want a trick I always pick like New Year's like
don't pick a religious holiday that can be that can not work out well I always
picked like New Year's or fourth of July and be like hope you had a great New
Year's Yatta Yatta Yatta Yatta because I always
do feel like people are like but what do I say you're like
well here's a nice icebreaker that yeah everybody can go but I like the calendar
reminder just because yeah holidays I know now that can be busy I
wasn't feelin people are never mad if you're just like I'm I was just gonna
give ya I hope you're doing well like back I'm never like they weren't
thinking about me they always want something from me oh yeah yeah and
that's the other nice thing that it's like a nice reminder to reach out when
you don't need a thing yeah cuz then ya not just like setting up this
relationship to be completely one-sided you're just like I just wanted to say hi
yeah I think the trick here is people need to stop talking about that and just
start doing it like just do it and don't think about it too much and then do it
again and again like what your friends know with the calendar and buy it so
that's genius okay so we have time for one more or Oh
awesome yeah there we go Jessica just asked it's a never okay to
apply for a job that you aren't fully qualified for or on the flip side should
you be doing that I love ya I well I always say yes and if you know the data
about women is that women don't apply for jobs unless their they meet the
qualifications almost a hundred percent which and then something yeah and then
super quality yeah basically and they're like I have a PhD in this job and so I
would say always apply for jobs whether you quote-unquote are qualified or not
if you're interested in your passion in it I say go for it and then have your
story line be about why you want that job I mean when I became a recruiter I
had never been a recruiter before but I convinced them I was the right person so
I was like this is how passionate I am about recruiting and this company and
that was worth gold you know what I mean like you couldn't hire that experience
or that enthusiasm I mean and of course you could go get someone else that has
the experience but yeah I would always say and it sounds like you agree like do
it yeah why I think obviously like if we're talking about like a doctor you
don't want someone who's like yeah I feel most part I'm like pretty good at
doing like stitches on myself like I think for the most part like with a lot
of different careers there there's some wiggle room yeah I think there's
probably you know if someone is asking for five years of experience of writing
or this or that like I think you should probably have some yeah and like you
know then you know talk to why you would be a good
right I think that's the main thing that really comes down to like the
personality fit you know like silly I've taken informational interviews where
they're like we do not have any openings yeah not interested in anyone and I'm
like right but like if you get your foot on the door that's the most important
yang and I've literally like convinced people to hire me totally because I'm
like but look I will work really hard yeah I'll make it happen um so I think
that's you know that's the most important thing is and like you said
with like women like don't have an impostor syndrome
you know think of like oh I'm not good enough for that or anything I couldn't
like believe in yourself like one of the best tips that my old boss at when I was
at Conde Nast gave me was that if you go for an interview and and decide like
halfway through the interview like this is not for me this is not a good fit
still cross through the finish line yeah like in a race like you yawn through the
line and you know make sure that you tell them how much you you appreciate
their time and yeah you know and I think those kinds of that that mentality of
like go for it and and then decide if they make my offer then you can be like
okay that wasn't yeah perfect fit but I think just don't take yourself all the
running before you've even gotten there right exactly so see you might decide
like it's not even a position that you're interested in but I say like you
know don't sell yourself short like you can offer maybe eight other things that
they hadn't even considered that were important to them I also find I was
talking to someone the other day and she was like I want to apply for this
company but I've already decided they're probably the night right not the right
fit because their commute is here and this is here and that's there and like
you actually have had a full conversation of talking yourself into
this job and out of this job without me saying anything but you know and it's
like sometimes I think planning it's great thinking about your next move is
great but sometimes it's like you have to just let things go and like you said
like cross the finish line be strong guy and then consider it you know don't
cross that bridge before you got there and I don't know maybe it's something
about women are really good at multitasking and planning but I do think
like you said the imposter syndrome is like this fear of like being rejected
and like what's the worst thing that's gonna happen they say no yeah move on
yeah yeah so I mean you're both woman who are
really you found path they really inspired by and passionate about but
what do you do if you can't figure out what field or career path you want to
pursue when you feel a little bit lost yeah I mean again having been in a job
where I started at 8:30 my first job at school I started at 8:30 I was done
around 9:30 or 10:00 one day they had me feed paper through a printer so I can
definitely tell you it was not my dream job and so I was pretty lost I think the
best thing I did is I engaged with the world around me and there's this great
quote by Marie Forleo that she says clarity comes from engagement and the
minute I heard that it was like every neon white and Bell and whistle went off
in my head I was like I need to engage with the world around me and so I
started having informational interviews I started talking to more people I would
go to events and I actually almost think it was a little bit easier because I
didn't know what I wanted to do so I was sort of open to a whole bunch of ideas
and then my second piece of advice for that is so first start engaging whatever
that whatever that means to you but my third tip or second tip is focus on a
company stop worrying about what is this exact job title and go find awesome
companies we were talking about companies that support women at work or
if you know you want to be a mom at some point a company that has working moms
they're like sometimes I think it's easier to figure out your next career
move if you just start working for a company that you love and you admire or
maybe it's a site that you visit every day whatever it is like I think target
companies can almost be easier to focus on than the quote unquote dream job
which we all know is like does not exist I'm sorry we've all been sold that and
it just it doesn't you know right I mean I couldn't agree more and I think if you
are feeling lost like I think focusing on what would potentially make you happy
I mean it could be something as simple as being like I really want to work with
my hands or I want yeah working with kids or whatever it is yeah and then
just like start doing your research and and kind of see what other jobs I mean I
assume too that like maybe there are like career counselors out there that
yeah to go and talk to someone and like they can help like figure out what your
strengths are and how brave like parlay that into your future next career but I
would say it's like do your research kind of like again
you know the things that matter most to you right and then kind of set up you
know yeah we have a great worksheet and I'll put it in the I guess the comment
section when we put this replay up on YouTube and Facebook and all Senate -
guys - it's called your career ideals and it basically asks you like what type
of company do we want to work for what do you like working on how big should
the team like you have to start visualizing kind of what you want and it
will help you I think when you start writing these things down on paper
they're no longer just these ideas floating around - so I haven't done it
yet but I've been really into the idea of making a vision board so I've also
think that that's a good play especially when you said like do you want to do
something with your hands like as someone who works with a screen all day
long I do think that it would be great to do something like a vision board a
physical with my hands that you never know like something can come out of it
so again the whole like clarity comes from engagement engage whether it's the
something with your hands or having those informational interviews but um
yes it will and I also think maybe we're all sold the expect or the thought that
like this is gonna be an aha moment like you're gonna sit on the couch in this
aha moment it's like I'm gonna build a blog and then I'm gonna turn it into a
book then I'm gonna go like that's not how it works and you're probably
thankful that that's not how it works you know like very much so because I
would have had like enormous doubt and there have been even moments within my
career like when my you know the book publisher reached down they're like hey
we would love to have you write a book and I was like oh I think they meant to
send this system yeah you know Afghan just like always second-guessing myself
and yeah um so yeah I mean I think that the number went in like not to like
burst any bubbles but it's like there's not like that perfect job like a lot of
people kind of feel like run down and like uninspired and yeah but yeah you
know kind of really kind of figuring out how you can potentially make the most in
your current job right like get yourself like a little bit more angry or that
there maybe is a shift that you can that you can take that you know to do
something that that'll make you happy but I think like the if I can pick up on
like any kind of like overall theme here it's like being proactive that oh yeah
you need to go for whatever it is that like you're passionate about you can't
really sit back and be like I hate my job
I really wish this would happen it's like we'll make it happen right you know
like don't be that person who's passive who just wants other people
I think in this day and age and they sound like so old where I'm like this
generation what am i what am i those things and I think so many people even
reach out to me on a daily basis knowing hey I'd like to start a blog what should
I name it what if I write about how do you read I'm like no
yeah there's no you know there was no kind of like cliff nodes yeah and of
anything and that's how that's the case with like god knows what every night yam
will be so I think the most important thing is like if you're inspired if
you're feeling you know in a rut like whatever it is yeah you proactive and go
after you do something yeah absolutely so tip of the day be proactive yeah I
like being one of those like motivational posters with like an eagle
oh it's like soy yeah but I think it is one of those things that just like it's
easy to kind of become complacent and just feel like everything is gonna fall
in your lap and if it's not then it's not worth it but like yeah that's the
furthest from the truth because I think with anything like it takes the most
work that goes with like yeah like a career motherhood you know and
maintaining relationships you have to work really really hard at the thing ya
matter most and I know when I started having informational interviews and I
was in this job I hate it it actually really really in life like I left every
conversation super jazzed so like even having a small thing like a 20-minute
conversation or 20 minutes where you read someone's website where they tell
you step by step or you watch a webinar or an online class like we're so lucky
that we have so many resources out there today and it's amazing how much that can
kind of change your attitude and that can pick you back up and you're like
alright I'm going for it and I think it's great to have that stuff along the
way because there is no such thing as instant success and you you really don't
want that you want the ebbs and flows of life and and careers and all that great
stuff so well this was wonderful to have you thank you for joining your mentor
Monday your advice is spot-on it's actually really nice to have
different perspectives on mentor Monday especially because you know career in
life really do mix together and so as most of these answers were not just
straight career advice with that so thank you again and I hope so just do
you guys know the replays of these are available for 24 hours on our Instagram
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can catch it there as well all right thanks guys
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