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It's funny to meet you. Yeah it's good
virtually meeting you as well I'm sorry about rescheduling our call to today
instead of yesterday it was kind of a crazy day yesterday yeah man yeah thanks
for I really really appreciate you commenting and watching in like you know
it makes it makes me feel good that people are digging the stuff so thank
you a lot of gratitude
the content men, I like you know cause I'm hesitate cause I wanna go to Youtube Channel
and i've been talkin about for awhile now but I'm trying to get my ducks in a row
You know after reading it like the magic the thing is somewhat you know is this
You know the R of the star right?
Hey Devon, if it's Okay with you can
I screen record our conversation and potentially use it for the channel and
then that way I'll give a proper shout-out to Devon and once you start
your YouTube channel this is this is kind of the little push for it so if
it's cool with you I would love to share it well you know I do legally have to
ask Matt yeah that's something I learned recently but out of courtesy to
especially you know when we're when we're doing video chat sometimes
folks have you know they they want to kind of keep it down low with some of
the stuff that they're doing or working on but I just think that every time I do
a little video chat there's always like some really good nuggets on my own
man I wish I could share this but so if it's cool I would love to share it
Oh yeah yeah for sure. It's kinda dope
this guy you know you know the new book but you know I my journey my journey
actually came from I had a good idea of a maybach you know a maybach
I was working like Jay-Z and all of from Brooklyns staying developed as them
And uhm I used to see that these celebrity is the only friends that have a
cars all the time trying to escape from the paparazzi you need to put currency on this cars
that way you dont need to flee away foot fast this was like in 2006 you
know around that time and then you know a friend a friend of mine this is Daisy best friend
his name's Tata he said that is it possible to do that before that
that time you know it was illegal to have curtains inside your car like that you know which was
it wasn't illegal you know but then at the same time see the thing is about vision at
that point because people don't see the same vision you know you have to be a
visionary to see that vision yep and um like six years later Maybach come out with curtain in a car
that's was like it's very important to not take no more just to not listen to
anybody who's across though you know the first no yeah actually event right I
just started getting a whole bunch of books like whole bunch of books when I
talk about you need me countless YouTube videos learning learn how to write home
learning site site on just you know although on channels like in clothes off
and the end of the day open innovation is grill right so now i have that i started
called inventitious you see online in existence you know it's pretty much
accompany their assist low-income and under vsauce in sell sheet done you know and this
sell sheet was like I see you when it comes to toss out sell sheets of stuff that's
destined is a very important weapon right so like it was just like it was
love it was time I can see how you can easily get that nice because looks like
a girl
you've been saying it like you didn't say yes sell sheet has to be like this this
is so oh yeah that's beautiful so that made me say you know what if I'm gonna
hopefully service services I have to learn some other hats also you know I
have to figure out you know if I'm gonna offer people certain services I have to
make sure it's right it's time not you know you know was that me you know when
I see if I can just go over that learning curve because I'm talking I got
like 3d printers you know I got a cool XYZ 3d printer and I'm using that but
you know you don't wanna o extend yourself because you try to catch two
rabbits you wind up catching none right yep and so I'm just destroying time I do
it in the appropriate stance so I don't want to do my YouTube channel called
license and they don't know me like this learning curve of learning already
learned them and and I got that from gonna Daymond John zaffinos David John
right now has he got a new book out leading just called rising high okay
that's the way he's like he's like say I think I know which book cover he's like
oh you know I got his hands up there yeah
or doing something yeah
but ended up display you know it's just um its power is the power to the brook
where you have the color like poor let's do things more strategically in this
digital age you know so with Stephen Key and into prose from
there with Inventright is a genius you know you know they like boxing like a thousand bucks
you get this just book a prior part right here so your idea is possible in
the next step they put their package services right you didn't I can be like
sit prices or whatever but for non service friend minutes for now services
be everything but but I didn't do the whole process I just paying for that
pretty nice book with the with the fire hard on it but
now so amazing we can get those second things so we can go on like the USPTO we
can go on Google package we can get that same artists all expenses charge $1,000
yeah yeah yes because I come from a music background does that's what no so
I can't hit our whole industry so the music industry don't boy tease oh boy a
dude's packets are like masters you don't it selection
it's like published so people from where I'm from you know where the biggest
Fitness right spoon we've been constantly spending our money on just
right everywhere no matter what race nationality acree the world we're in the
world of assumption right so everybody's mind everything so developers and
companies are not saying how Amazon team has the best idea they know that the
people that been buying past 20 30 years or something like that you know so then
he had this open an innovation and I kind of break open innovation they're
about to say open invite mmm
okay that's a good way of looking at it
like Invensys just don't know these type of things and that's that's that's why
the stag is come in I got a person that I always say to all inventors right and
it's kind of its kind of cool but it is coming like sad so in our actually where
could you learn the most you genius venture to me are you asking
me yeah in a great in a great yard idea go to the party if you have that thought
so that's why I'm pretty first well it's a like the socks inside on like how
you're doing things as far as like the way the way you have is the setup and
the friend is very important when you got there
the MSM studio surf studio and then you have you know like even the patreon page
like the patreon page like everything is nice and branded which is what made you
kind of like know the importance of branding this licensing is the business
you know you kind of like you got it together so I just wanted to know which
kind of new way thank point so print yes so yeah great question so I have a
background in advertising and that's one of the things that is drilled into us
and we're learning advertising is that you know what's the brand voice what's
the brand identity what's the brand message and then we would create a
manifesto which is kind of the mission statement for the brand and why that
manifesto is relevant to this ad campaign and you know whenever we look
at a I'll use a billboard as an example so a good really a good bit of billboard
you could tell who is making that billboard really quickly just in a few
seconds you only have a few seconds that you're driving by that billboards right
probably like 3 to 6 seconds so how does Nike tell you it's a Nike billboard
without actually showing you it's you know telling you it's Nike they just
this is aesthetic and certain things that they do visually that that Nike
really owns and you can tell is like oh that's a Nike bill which I'm not
look at us so taking those principles and foundations of a brand identity I
thought it was necessary to do it for us especially for the YouTube channel it
definitely helps when on the licensing end of stuff when I approach these
companies it makes it look like it's a company approaching this company rather
than an individual approaching them so that brand identity that had created for
the licensing company I kind of carried that over into the YouTube channel and
that is an area where you know visually everybody's competing and there's a lot
of visual noise so what can you do to clear out or stand out from all that
noise in the background and I am a stylistically
design wise I'm very simple and very just like just the necessary you know
the type and maybe some color and an image and there's other folks that do
you know they get a little bit crazier and cooler with the designs but for me I
just I like I like the effectiveness of it and the cleanliness and the minimal
it's not I don't really consider my work as minimal but it tends to be that just
because there aren't as many elements and those elements are like you know
type the color and the image and whatever visual graphics if there's like
a logo or whatever and I threw out throughout the years of doing this ad
stuff and especially like the Billboard I found that when they are very simple
graphically it's a lot easier to communicate and Nike you know whenever
you look at a Nike ad no matter what it is visually it's beautiful
but then graphically and the branding is also very just like clean and simple and
it doesn't get in the way of the actual product so I approach it the same way
and it does help with the YouTube stuff because now people are able to vote for
me when I'm you know looking at human behavior of myself and how other people
use YouTube you know the first thing that they're gonna see is the most
colorful most eye-catching visual so I yeah all those things that I've learned
they've all kind of funneled into this YouTube stuff and in the cell sheets
that I create - I treat it I don't I don't I call them sell sheets just
because everybody else in this world knows them I sell sheets but I just call
them or look at them as a Prentice and there used to be this one
oh it not used to be it's a it's a technique that we still do when the ad
world I don't know how often messes everything's digital but but whenever we
do like a print ad what we would do is print that print it out and do a 10-foot
test so we'll go and put you know we'll put the image the copy and the logo do
whatever and then we put it on a shelf or against the wall on one side of the
room that we step back 10 feet away and then we try to visually see is that an
ikea and we can do that with billboard time to do it and up and there was
something that a technique i think david feet away i someone i forgot where was
mentioned of some that's probably one of the youtube videos would have been tried
but it was a technique that david feet away used uses where if he does
something similar he puts it on the cell sheet it puts together a sell sheet then
puts it up on the wall and then takes a few steps back but I think what their
purpose was can when they show it to somebody do they instantly understand
what's happening in that cell sheet and that's the same but the principles in
the the logic of doing that is exactly the same as the access are doing
1 are they understanding that this is a specific brand that they've seen this
act from and then is it clearly communicating whatever that ad is trying
to say to whoever is viewing it hope that answer something out of that
accidentally branding questions and a little hack it's it's not a hack but
it's just a thing that a lot of people don't really talk about especially
design-wise that is a font the type you use it makes a huge difference I have a
few of my own go-to fonts because the branding is so attached to those fonts
so I always go to those but if you you know in the beginning try to find
whatever your favorite fonts are and look at them as not so much of well.look
amass personality like just imagine that they're all like Comic Sans has its own
personality compared to times new Romans and Helvetica they all have their own
personality Comic Sans seems fun and playful where Helvetica is very clean
neutral you know very simple and you know those are the there's these tones
and personalities that are all these fonts or type paths and if you're able
to find something that really resonates with whatever your brand message is the
vibe that your brand is you know we're trying to give then go with that I I
like using a Kayne West's album you know like you could see the tone of the album
you know was it what was that there was the yeezus and almost Pablo yeah now
Pablo Escobar but Pablo yeah so that you know that typographically has a very
strong tone to it but it's also only relevant to that specific album you
can't go and apply to easy so you can't do it to my dark fantasy
you know it's like we're college dropout every single one of them has a
completely different tone so I approach branding that way and then also going to
your you know you mentioned YouTube is darn huh yeah so your YouTube channel I
really encourage more people to just start doing this YouTube stuff you know
cuz that's the at the moment the only people other than myself the only people
that are talking about is the folks at invent right which is great you know
they they're pumping out some really good information and content out there
but I think this whole licensing thing is a far bigger thing than just invent
right and just me I think a lot of people need to start having more of a
discussion and conversation and the YouTube it definitely kind of
kick-starts that a little bit but the more people that are putting this
channel you know putting together on channels and documenting it it's helping
me it's helping everybody move forward and moving this industry forward and
more open and then when you are like you know your message of open invite open
innovation is an open invite to submit ideas that's that's great so like I
there's only one way to well not one way but the this is a good way of not only
getting connected with other folks that are inventors or into licensing or
whatever but it also is creating a sharing some knowledge with those
companies that are familiar with open innovation and if they think about it as
open inviting like oh okay maybe I'll go and open up my doors to so people could
submit ideas and the only way that's possible is if people like you and I and
there's another buddy that he's also invent right student his name is Daniel
Cornell he's really cool dude he just started his YouTube channel and and we
were talking about it one day and I was like well you know
more of us that talked and and actually the interesting thing too is uh for us
he says he's max I think he's Mexican his Hispanic you know african-american
asian-american like the diverse city and this is a it's not I don't think yeah I
think a lot more women also should definitely you know join in like
conversation different ethnicities and backgrounds and cultures just because we
all of us have different experiences and different experiences that was go to or
go through it determines the outcome of the ideas that we Joe holding it down
yeah absolutely and now just doo-doo-doo-doo
yeah we spend a lot of time I'm definitely in this category of people
that think way too much and I've had too many situations or been in
too many situations where I think too much and spent didn't spend enough time
making or doing and that really affected the outcome and it becomes disheartening
at a certain point and now I try to not think at all just because I think it's
more important to be doing and I always use this phrase of analysis by paralysis
like paralysis by analysis sorry it's in Reverse so you get stuck because you're
constantly analyzing you're like oh is it a good idea it's a bad idea
oh someone else is doing slightly similar thing to it oh but like oh I
have to go put the cell sheet together I don't know how to find a cell sheet oh I
got to a patent pin or I got not even patent pain I have to put a patent on
that thing and you know find a patent attorney and like once you like it just
becomes all these like mental obstacles and it just makes it stop and once you
stop yeah yeah once you stop you lose all that momentum so my my advice is do
don't think thinking is necessary but do more than you think and I think the
actions the actions is what makes it possible by you actually doing something
thinking about something doesn't solve anything
there's this I'm not a huge huge like
I'm not I'm a fan of Tony Robbins I'm not like Oh Tony Robbins but there were
some things that I'm like oh that's that's gold right there
and he said power knowledge is not power applied knowledge is power and I'm like
whoa okay so there's a bunch of stuff that I know and it doesn't mean that you
know makes you power me actually putting those knowledge into
into something and doing something with it it actually creates power so you know
all the we eat up all these articles and YouTube videos and you know of
audiobooks and we read the books and we're putting all this information and
great well it's not providing any value if you don't do anything with the
information that you're building so just go and do something with that so let's
just do before if this was a year ago yeah before it was it was a year ago it
would have been make make make but then I think it's a little bit it's it's more
simple and a lot easier to understand just like do it just do just do it you
know Nikes tagline just do it is one of my favorite tag lines in the entire
world and don't think about winning the don't think about winning the triathlon
just go and do the triathlon because
these hours like you can have 24 hours machines by 16 you know that's what
happy hour actually right 4550 minutes like today's
Friday yep yep so true well this week went by real quick for me I didn't even
realize those Friday until yesterday that's like the wolf Friday already
yeah oh yeah I think I'll do something on time management I'm not sure what
because that Pomodoro it's pretty much
the way that I manage my own times especially if I want to get work done
and for me a lot of things they're kind of always on the fly things just kind of
come out of nowhere what makes you know but I guess that's an excuse I there's
always time but yeah I'm glad that you like that the Pomodoro and you could
just apply that same principles of the promo door to whatever thing that you're
doing you know if it's in that video was coming up with ideas so I just applied
that using post-its right you just four point five minutes just write a bunch of
ideas say but if it's for me I'm actually terrible at writing emails
emails are the bane of my existence and I there's things that I've done for
myself so one is the putting the Pomodoro Technique instead of 25-minute
long and that's it even though it can take me 25 minutes or even an hour
sometimes it depending on what type of email writing I apply that same you know
principle into writing the email and I also try to do it on my phone rather
on the computer cuz on the phone it's just like yeah I don't get distracted
with opening up Google Chrome or whatever okay so uh yeah let me think
about what time management stuff I can do especially when it's more relevant
for licensing I think that's good but then it all kind of goes away when after
you hit up the companies and then you get some interest or waiting to hear
back then there's no such thing as time management it's just waiting and then
you're just put in your calendar to send out an email all right you're so right
are you making me blush yeah yeah I do have to admit a lot of ideas a lot of
ideas have died and it's the execution probably on that level or even better I
it does help visually to help persuade you know convince them but I think the
most important thing is to be able to generate ideas and then connect the dots
and also orchestrate how the dots are going to
connected so I I like to think of it as
being not myself but let's say you know uh I'm Steve Jobs I don't develop or
design any of these products on my own maybe some of the ideas I don't really
come up off on my own but I you know do whatever I gotta do to pitch it or
envision the idea and then elevate it to you know to whatever the standard is now
for Apple and and then orchestrates the dots like alright we've got this idea
for the iPod now what do we got to do to make that happen
who do we need to bring in who do we find and how you know you're
orchestrating the team so you're you know you're Steve Jobs having those
design skills and being able to put cell sheets together is a good it's a good
thing skill to know especially with whatever we're doing it definitely makes
it run quicker and it's a little bit cheaper
I don't I it may seem like it's cheaper but I invest a lot of money into the
education to learn this stuff so I can't really say that it's cheaper but it is
good skills to know but I think if you find the right people you know if it's
that one fiber guy or if it's and find a different fiber guy or you know upwork
or a buddy that you mean adding like parsons if you're in New York or Pratt
whatever you know it's SVA you know then you could go and have them
do the sell sheets but you just kind of articulate it and which is like this is
what I'm imagining and then you know you can pull pull other cell sheets and even
regular print ads as references and just show them it's like it's kind of
creating kind of a mood board it's just like this is kind of the vibe
or the things that we want and here are the examples and inspirations that we
could emulate and but you know for the long run if learning Photoshop and
learning how to puts these cell sheets together on your own is something that
you really want to do especially for your own business yeah go for it I can't
tell anybody not to do that I encourage it but you know it takes some time to
learn and it takes a lot of practice and it took years of me and I'm still
learning I'm still honing down on my skill on the craft of making these
things I just I've done so many of them and then I don't know about so many
compared to other folks in the industry but I made a good amount of them to know
what I'm doing in it and I think to kind of kickstart your way into learning the
sell sheet rather than taking strictly just design courses I would encourage
people to check out advertising courses specifically you know like creating ads
not not marketing classes so if you go to like SVA
right take some night classes they've got a really good at program actually so
you know if they've got some public night programs whatever it is and you
want to really elevate your conceptual skills you'll actually all the things
that you'll need to know to put a sell sheet together happens in those
advertising classes maybe not the technical aspects of stuff but the
foundations of what a good print ad is and I want to be surprised if they do it
in that same format 11 by 17 tabloid paper size because that's the format
that I use is the rectangular one not that in half by 11 and yeah so they'll
probably do something similar like that and it's a great layout especially it
makes sense for us because the people we email sell sheets now we don't have to
mail it and because we email it could be in whatever size format and whatever
device that they're looking at so the computer or
phone tablet.you no on your iPad whatever it is it's gonna you could
always view it as horizontal and it gives the most real estate and most
visual impact compared to eight and a half by eleven so what anyways yeah like
going and taking those classes they'll probably they'll most likely focus on
the conceptual level of thinking and a way to communicate that thinking for
that product but you could take all those principles and apply to the sell
sheets and then on the on top of that you're gonna have to actually you know
show finished print ads at the end of the class so you're kind of forced into
learning how to do or use Photoshop and mock up your own print ads for the class
and all that stuff translates right over - until creating a sell sheet or
creating a mastermind right so in invention if you wanted a license them
your mastermind like you got a great designer
whether you find them on one of your friends you know a designer get those
people William asked Mike yep yep absolutely true now I I'm a I'm a
believer in if you have that team you gotta be able to communicate to that
team in a language that they understand so if you like let's say if you're doing
a website you know and you hire developer sure most of the time
you know for many of us we don't know any knowledge or about like the language
of coding but it helps a lot if I have a basic understanding of coding and I'm
able to translate that during our conversations with a developer and it
just helps things move quicker so yeah having a really good team is a very
important part but it's also how to orchestrate that team in a way where
they understand and you know they're not feeling feeling like oh this client
doesn't know anything you know it's you you know what they're under you're going
with what they're going through and you're able to communicate with them
yeah hey I I really want I really love to see that YouTube channel once it's up
because it'd be great to have more folks talking about it and actually doing
stuff and it'd be cool to do like collaborations with other people that's
doing I'm out doing this stuff so I am yeah I really encourage it and thank you
for reaching out and watching man I ten biggest
it's in Vegas I believe right licensing there I went last year I went to
licensing Expo last year and it was really cool definitely an eye-opener
because it is a huge industry like the amount of companies that were setting up
shop there and the scale and the type of companies that they were is like cart
Amazon Studios and Universal and Blizzard and Nickelodeon Disney they
were they were all there and looking at ideas but there's more entertainment
focus so I a common thing disconnect that I was having with people that I was
talking to like I would go booth to booth and just like hey I'm a product
developer and I would love to send you guys ideas or if I had some ideas that
were relevant to them you know I would be like hey I've got to my product ideas
I would love to you know license out to you guys and and on my badge it actually
says licensure and they everybody always gave me a confused look it's like wait
what do you do I'm like my license ideas out is like but how how does that work
I'm like wait a minute this is the licensing Expo how come you guys so I
eventually it made sense I'm like oh it's more entertainment focused it's
like if you've got a TV show for Nickelodeon you know you want to you
want to put a new TV show they could they have you can license out that you
know you put together a little presentation I don't know exactly what
the process is and later on eventually we'll get into that but yeah
that's another thing it's sort of like licensing it's so broad you know some
recreation and tennis yeah that's another discrepancy I have like even
naming the channel you know licensing Mason you know I'm thinking it but
should be product licensing Mason you know so yeah yeah you know i-i-i do i do
think that i don't know about struggle is the right word but yeah that's the
same thought i was having I was like goopy since it's such a broad broad term
should I be mentioning product licensing but later on that's um one of the things
I love about licensing is that it applies to almost every single industry
they-they-they that language is there so if I would like and that's one of the
beauties of having this YouTube channel it's just me documenting all the
different industries that I'm kind of growing into but right now it's just
focusing on products and I'm still debating which industry I want to focus
on last year was mostly sports merchandising but it could be like later
on like hey I used to do music as well so it'd be nice to get back into the
music roots and start making some make some beats or something and then try to
license that out to you know some startup company that's making a little
video pitch video whatever it is or if I want to go into photography I could go
and you know maybe I don't even need to pick up a camera I could use the camera
on my phone and see if I can license out photos like stock photo images and and
like you know like you could do that for film you could do that for eventually it
would be very meta but if the brand msf studio brand becomes so large that
later on that I could license out the brand you know that's like it's it's
insane the things that you can do with licensing yeah everything everything's
for sale yeah and and you could even take the model well eh that's what I was
experimenting with these past few clients that I got but then I had to let
him go just because they is either I wasn't feeling it or they weren't
feeling it or some other stuff but the conversations always began with oh I do
licensing as I go what's licensing and I show it to them and that's interesting
and you could do all these other things like website designs and stuff like yeah
I could do that and there's one startup company that was selling these little
drop products like droplets and to start up they don't have enough capital to
bring on a designer to put their website together so I was like well you know I
could put together your website for you and you don't have to pay upfront but we
just pay you could just pay me with every sale and because it's on a website
they could you know it's easier to track and then after looking doing some more
research later on for that website they only sell 200 bottles a month so I was
like have ain't gonna get ain't gonna fly with me that's way too small of an
inventory sorry guys but I can't so yeah you get apply it to so many things which
is which is cool and but companies and clients they just don't have an
understanding of it yet and they kind of dismiss it because it sounds complicated
but it isn't there was a one there was one book deal and it's so happening now
but we went to a traditional method of just a single payment which is totally
fine but I proposed that idea is like hey instead of me giving you an up for a
payment for your book design let's just do it off of royalties and licensing
just like a traditional book deal with the publisher except on the designer and
you know I get a portion of it and his response was like it sounds great but I
just don't have I don't have an understanding of it I don't have a
system or you know as a way to put the system in place to make sure that you
know you're getting paid and at the same time that he's getting paid so I was
like okay that's fine but because you know it's supposed to be creating a
win-win scenario I'm not putting that much skin in the game of you know the
licensing would be a great model but because you're not open to it or
whatever I'm just gonna have to give you this price so it's gonna look vast
majority of skill so you do Photoshop associate and print advertisement and
you know licensing you know the skill set of the self as well so I see I see
you managing to do all of those things well but do you offer to like even help
offenses like if they needed a sell sheet do you say you know I put a
statute to you for you for a certain price yeah so there's there's a few so
that with that with with our friend a vent right buddy Daniel so we're working
on a project together where he has an idea and I just designed the sell sheet
and then we just split the royalties and then when I was doing the sports
merchandising stuff I was hitting up all my ad friends and
there was about 20 ideas in this PDF deck that we would send out to these
companies potential licensees but you know in order for us to clip that deck
we have to have a bunch of ideas so I hit up a bunch of my ad friends and they
have the same they have the same skills sets and I think it's safe
to say that they have better skill sets than I do
but there's two conceptually they're able to think and execution Utley
they're able to to pull it off so I was like yeah you guys I'm gonna be
submitting a bunch of ideas to a bunch of companies in the sports merchandising
world here's a brief a creative brief just
come up with as many ideas as you can if you put together your own self sheets
and I would give I gave them my InDesign template and so everything looks
structured in the presentation I was like if you guys are able to make it
just put into this format and I'll do everything I can't just sell it but
people in the ad world they're very very busy and they're always stressed out and
they're always working late long late hours and I get that so I told a few
that if they aren't able to put together the sell sheet design it I'll do it for
them but I just get a higher cut in royalties so that's yeah so that's kind
of yeah yeah it creates a win-win scenario nobody has to pay up front so
everybody said I hit up they're like oh yeah that sounds great
I'll send ideas to you as soon as I can so they would send me ideas and then we
had a twenty ideas to to just hit up so instead of me hitting up what company
one at a time with one idea I was just like screw it let's put everything in
then just send it and see what happens so missus I think it's there for Michael
Jordan's for you miss a hundred percent of the shots you
don't take my purse I love it absolutely man and same to you if you're ever in LA
and the west side hit me up then we'll go grab a drink you know grab some food
get some BOM tacos here and ones that we'll definitely talk more and we'll you
know work on some stuff together especially if you got the YouTube stuff
- definitely yeah it'll be good to have more people talking about it because
before before I was doing that all that invent right you know you know just me
doing licensing it felt like I was doing it by myself solo like a lone wolf and
it's nice that I'm doing it by myself but it's also gets pretty lonely and
it'd be nice to be able to have conversations like this with other folks
that know it and I just got a little feedback it was a brutal truth for my
girlfriend the other day saying that I talked about licensing way too much
especially amongst our friends a hundred percent of the time I always talk it
ends up with me talking licenses and they always get like here he goes again
it's a lifestyle yeah and and then and the weird thing is that all of them it's
there a lot of my design buddies and friends like that and they're always
complaining about their work and I'm like hey Dee this is a chat that I'm
offering to you guys that should do well for you for us later on but if you're
not interested then I'll shut up so yeah I I thank you I thank you for for being
an outlet
these are your thoughts come into light you know yep
so you want to express yourself absolutely so that's no not at all I
love all right yeah absolutely thank you man yeah let's make ideas
happen baby all right later mr. Johnson I love your I love
your Skype name here mr. Johnson all right later Devon good chatting with you
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