Contrary to evolution, the Bible says people were brilliant from the beginning.
Geniuses in the Genealogies.
This week on Creation Magazine LIVE!
Welcome to Creation Magazine LIVE!
My name is Richard Fangrad. and I'm Calvin Smith.
This week on Creation Magazine LIVE our topic is Geniuses in the Genealogies.
Yes, once again we want to highlight that despite what some Christian individuals or
even seminary's or 'ministries' promote, the story of evolution does NOT match what
the Bible says! Right.
Evolution teaches that humans started out as unsophisticated ape-like hominids that
spoke in grunts and so on, and beat their wives over the head with clubs and that kind of thing, and slowly developed more and more brain power until we could
finally develop speech, simple technology's like stone axes, philosophical constructs like
the idea of a Creator God, etc., until finally we became the geniuses we are today.
Oh we are so smart. You know it's kind of interesting because what they promote is that it wasn't until we became
more intelligent that we could create language, you need intelligence to create language, but the most sophisticated
language we've ever seen, DNA, you require that to even have even the simplest life form! I don't know if anyone has ever thought that through.
But anyways... I digress. The Bible says that the original people God created were brilliant and implies
that we haven't got smarter and better, but actually worse and worse over time because
of the Fall of man.
If evolution were true, the further we look back in history the evidence should show a gradual
decline in man's intelligence, moving closer to the ape's of course.
Biblical creation would indicate otherwise.
Man, created in God's image, has always been intelligent.
People make discoveries and invent things, and this knowledge is passed on and built upon.
In this way, technology can increase within a society, but this isn't because people
become more intelligent.
A short time after creation, people were already inventing things such as herding, agriculture,
musical instruments, and metal-working.
We read about that in Genesis 4:21–22.
They didn't have a history of people slowly working things out before them, so that means they figured
out how to do that incredibly quickly, which indicates brilliance.
And by the time of the Flood, mankind could have reached a high level of technical 'know-how'.
We don't know exactly how high, but there are some clues in the Bible.
Yes, for example Stonehenge—it's massively heavy, the stones there, precisely positioned, and for years
those stone slabs defied explanation for those thinking that the builders were 'less evolved'.
It's recently been demonstrated that greased planks, ropes, and a little bit of ingenuity applied by fully
intelligent people would be enough to do the job.
You know it's funny because some people, because of the incredible sophistication of the construction and constructs and
of some of the artifacts we see from so called ancient men, because of how complicated they are, they've proposed that visitors
from space must have helped build the great pyramids of Egypt and Central America for example.
They thought, well we couldn't even do it today so obviously less advanced people (I.e. less smart people or less evolved people),
they couldn't have done it so we must have had help from highly evolved aliens!
Yes, is advanced technology from an alien civilization needed to explain how ancient
man could for example move huge stones, build monumental structures, create intricate artwork and organize complex cultures?
The Bible says no.
Man was extremely intelligent right from the start. It all fits with a Biblical history there.
Absolutely, it was sufficient for Noah and his helpers to be able to build a huge ocean-going vessel.
According to Genesis 6:15 the Ark measured approximately 135 metres long, 23 metres wide
and 13 metres tall and we know that these proportions were ideal for stability.
This colossal task would have required advanced knowledge in engineering, not to mention timber-working techniques etc.
Second, we can get some indication of the level of technology in those civilizations
which sprang up rapidly after the Flood.
Noah and his family would have tried to carry with them as much knowledge as they could obviously
to survive, and then restart civilization in the 'new world' for which they, of course, were headed.
And the Bible records that soon after the Flood, mankind built a huge city.
This was in the fertile river valley of Mesopotamia, around present-day Iraq.
Even evolutionists can't ignore the evidence here, and generally refer to this area as
the 'cradle of civilization'.
Which it was—but only for the post-Flood world.
When we get back we're going to look at some more evidence from our intelligent forefathers…Join us in just a moment...
Most people know that pollen can cause problems for those who suffer from hay fever.
But did you know that pollen is also a major problem for the evolutionary interpretation
of the fossil record?
Since the 1960s, the scientific literature has reported the presence of pollen and spores
within a rock layer called the Roraima Formation in South America.
This formation is supposedly over 550 million years old, yet according to evolutionary theory,
flowering plants that produce pollen didn't evolve for another 390 million years!
So why do we find pollen in the fossil record so long before the first flowering plants appear?
The simplest explanation is that the fossil record doesn't represent the evolution of
life on this planet over eons of time, but is better explained as a consequence of the
year long global flood of Noah and its aftermath.
This is recorded in the book of Genesis, chapters 6, 7, and 8.
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If you've just tuned in, this week we are talking about Geniuses in the Genealogies. Geniuses in the past.
You can see many lists of people we've all descended from listed there in the Bible.
How did they live, what did they do, were they smart or were they 'unsophisticated'
shall we say?
Well we mentioned after the Flood people built the tower of Babel which was probably a ziggurat,
or one of the first types of pyramids, like others that are still standing in the area around present-day Babylon.
Similar styles of pyramids are found in ancient civilizations all over the world. For example when I went down to the Maya Riviera a couple of times they were all
those ziggurat shaped pyramids. Yes but Evolutionary historians believe that each culture devised the same style of building independently.
But it seems more plausible to suggest that they are similar because they all came from
the same origin: Babel.
As with any group of people in society today, those that existed at the time of the Tower
of Babel would have had a diverse range of skills.
Some were builders, some were artists, and others farmers, etc.
However, when God divided the groups by language, the broad pool of knowledge was divided also.
Right, and the original groups that became, for example, the civilizations of the Egyptians and Mayans
obviously included people skilled in civil engineering, look at what they built, as evidenced
by the rapid establishment of those cultures.
Other groups would have lacked such knowledge.
Yes, imagine if you and your extended family were suddenly forced to migrate rapidly into
an unpopulated wilderness.
Even though we come from a society with a lot of technology, great technology, it's likely that your family group
wouldn't carry all of the necessary knowledge with you to, for example, be able to find
ore-bodies, and smelting techniques to work metals.
So you might choose to use stone tools for example to survive.
Right, so just because we see some societies today that don't have certain technologies
or what we would consider more sophisticated ways of life doesn't mean they didn't
come from a culture that was actually more advanced than they are today.
It could have happened.
The traditional view of so-called 'cultural evolution' is that hunter-gatherer societies
became agricultural societies, which then became industrial ones, and so on.
Technology, it has always been taken for granted, always increases.
When anthropologists came across a hunter-gatherer society, the standard assumption was that
they had never, in their cultural past, had an agricultural society.
Well we're going to look into that and see if that's right.
However, according to what the Bible teaches, when we come across a hunter-gatherer society
today, since these are the descendants of people who built a city at Babel, the inference is clear.
Even though such hunter-gatherer societies show no signs of, for example, agriculture, they
have descended from societies which did practice agriculture.
Its therefore of great interest to creationists whenever evidence emerges that societies can
in fact lose technology or that a particular hunter-gatherer society has descended from an
agricultural society in relatively modern times.
Yes, and one such incidence is the story of the Moriori.
Around a thousand years ago, Polynesian farmers colonised New Zealand to become the Maori.
Soon afterwards, a group of Maori colonised the Chatham islands about 800 km east of New
Zealand and became known as the Moriori.
In 1835 Maori invaders invaded the Chatham islands there, enslaving and killing most of the Moriori
and the rest were largely wiped out over the succeeding years by their Maori conquerors.
Interestingly, although they had originally been an agricultural society, the Moriori
had long since reverted to become hunter-gatherers.
This made sense for them—because the islands were too cold to grow the largely tropical Maori crops.
And without being able to store surpluses of crop food, they "could not support and
feed nonhunting craft specialists, armies, bureaucrats and chiefs".
They were therefore a less warlike society, which made them vulnerable to Maori attacks.
So the lesson here is that the standard evolutionary story of anthropological cultural development
has been shown to be unsound.
Hunting-gathering isn't a sign of being 'primitive' or 'less-evolved' but
can simply be a means of coping with a particular situation people find themselves in.
And we'll be back with just a little bit more in just a moment…
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On this week's episode we are talking about Geniuses in the Genealogies.
The Bible says people started off as being very intelligent.
It also says that the curse has been wearing out the creation for about 6,000 years now.
Is their evidence that our great-grandfathers actually had more brainpower than we do?
A good question, and in fact a new study led by psychologist Michael Woodley from Umea
University in Sweden has found that our 19th century ancestors were quote, "substantially cleverer"
than we are.
The researchers compared reaction times (basically reflex speed) as an indicator of our 'fleetness
of mind' they called it, or general intelligence across the generations since way back in the 1800s.
Now we should point out that although the alternative indicator, IQ, is a useful measure
of general intelligence today, the researchers could not meaningfully compare it directly
across different eras as earlier generations usually had only limited access to education,
nutrition, and hygiene, which probably would have boosted modern results.
Right, however, when they compared modern reaction times with those measured in the
late 19th century by Francis Galton…
Who by the way was Charles Darwin's first cousin who founded the eugenics movement…Yes!
So when they compared modern reaction times to the Victorians they found that an average
man in 1889 had a reaction time of 183 milliseconds, but in 2004 it had slowed to 253 milliseconds.
For the average woman, too, there was a deterioration over this same time period: from 188 down to 261ms.
Now what the researchers say is that this slowing in our reflexes can be equated to
a loss of 14 IQ points since Victorian times.
This "pronounced decline" is three times larger than previous theoretical estimates.
And this study, along with genetic studies showing progressive mutational degradation
of our human genome, with about 100 new mutations or so per generation, it's just more evidence of our
being in "bondage to decay", as the Bible says in Romans 8.
Yes and by the way you can see Dr John Sanford's ground-breaking book about this what we call Genetic
Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome, the title of his book, at the creation.com bookstore, and you can also check out
the show we've done about this from season 2 episode 3 called Genetic Mutation- Magnificent
Modifier or Mega Meltdown.
That was quite a mouthful!
Well what we see more and more from the evolutionary community is an admission that, what we would
understand as post Flood people, and what they assume in an evolutionary/uniformitarian
scheme of earth history of the past, is that the understanding of ancient man is changing,
the depictions of them are becoming more intelligent.
Yes they are.
For instance, evolutionists had assumed that the Paleolithic people lacked cognitive and technological
means to build boats for example.
However, the recent discovery of stone tools from an archeological survey on the Greek
island of Crete challenges this view—clear back to the early Paleolithic. Yes.
Archeologists had previously thought that Crete had not been colonized by humans until
the late Neolithic period.
This conclusion was mainly deduced from the belief that Crete has been separated from
the mainland for 5–6 million years, and so for Paleolithic man to reach Crete he needed boats.
Paleolithic sites in Spain also suggest that early man crossed the Gibraltar Strait.
All these discoveries or deductions mean that early people, including what people usually call Neandertals
and Homo erectus, built boats and could navigate the seas and show they were much more intelligent than
evolutionists have given them credit.
The ability of early man to build boats has also reinforced by the arrival of humans thought
to be Homo erectus about a million years ago, in the evolutionary scheme, on Indonesia's
Flores Island, which must have been by boat.
Also, pre-Neolithic people made it to Australia by at least 50,000 years ago in the evolutionary time scale.
So what we see more and more is that these ancient people which were once depicted as not that intelligent were actually very intelligent. And of course
when we get back we're going to continue looking at this, looking at how 'ancient man' is being portrayed
as less intelligent in the past well now they are much smarter. And we'll be back in just one moment...
What do marine fossils on the top of Mount Everest tell us about the Biblical Flood?
Well, we find fossils of marine creatures in limestone near the summit, which means
that this area must have been under the sea in the past.
Everyone agrees that the top of Everest was once under the sea.
However, many people do not associate these rocks and fossils with Noah's Flood because
they think there is not enough water to cover the highest mountains.
However, they are not considering how the Flood changed the earth's topography.
The mountain ranges formed at the end of the Flood.
With vertical earth movements towards the end of the flood, the mountains rose and the
water flowed off the continents into the newly formed oceans basins.
Indeed, such mountains must have formed quickly and recently, otherwise they would have eroded
as quickly as they formed.
That's why we have marine fossils at the tops of high mountains.
To find out more from Creation Ministries International visit our website Creation.com.
Our subject this week is Geniuses in the Genealogies.
The Bible says that people started off being very intelligent.
Evolution often depicts the earliest humans as being quite primitive thinkers.
What does science show?
Well the processing of milk, especially the production of cheese, is considered a technically
complex process and is also considered a critical development in the 'evolution' of man
that came very late in human evolution.
The finding in northwest Anatolia of abundant milk residues on pottery from the 6th millennium
BC and potsherds pierced with small holes with abundant milk fat, very likely used for
making cheese, has pushed back milk processing 3,000 years in the evolutionary scheme, which is just another sign that people have been intelligent from
the get-go. Archeologists working in South Africa have recently unearthed spear tips that are
claimed to be 500,000 years old. Amazing, half a million years old.
The deduction was based on the modification and damage on stone points consistent with
having been attached to spear handles.
This extends the ability to make stone tipped spears by 200,000 years.
The use of wooden spears, found among the remains of butchered horses in Germany, has
already pushed back the use of spears to 400,000 years ago.
And another South African cave has produced organic human artifacts claimed to be 44,000 years old.
These artifacts include evidence of the oldest use of poisoned arrows for hunting and the
use of beeswax.
It is also interesting that the artifacts are nearly identical to those which are still in use
by the Bushmen of southern Africa today.
So its likely that all of these archaeological sites represent post-Flood man.
The pushing back in 'evolutionary time' of man's abilities means that post-Flood
man was more intelligent than evolutionists believe, more and more supporting the belief
that man was always intelligent and never evolved from some ape-like creature.
Now its actually undisputed that some of our ancestors had access to advanced technology
capable of producing things like the pyramids that modern engineers can't even replicate today.
However, some have hugely overstated the case of how smart our ancient ancestors must have been, arguing that Noah had access to extremely advanced technology.
Similar to what we have today. Yes. That's going a bit far.
One well-known creationist leader actually claimed that Noah and his contemporaries could
have had tools, machines and techniques not inferior to those of today.
But this is obviously fallacious: if they had techniques just as good as we had ours, then when they were building the Ark for example then
why didn't they use some kind of lightweight titanium alloy, attach an outboard motor, and for good
measure, videotape the events for posterity, that would have been nice.
Yes, such claims overlook a vital factor: intelligence isn't enough for scientific advance.
Historically and logically, the rise of modern science depended strongly on certain assumptions,
and these were derived from a biblical Christian worldview, including honesty, rationality,
and a Law giving Creator and upholder of the universe.
Conversely, science was stillborn in many ancient cultures such as Greece and China.
Also, much of today's technology comes not from superior intellect per se, but from building
on the results of previous research.
Even the great creationist scientific genius Sir Isaac Newton said, "If I have seen further
it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants." Yes.
This required a relatively peaceful society that provided enough time to investigate nature
and pass on the results. There's an organized structure there in society to do that that needed to be there.
It's hard to advance technology when everything you write down is in danger of being destroyed
by conquering armies or vigilantes or vandals or things like that. So when Christianity took hold in the Western World and you had police forces and armies
and you had people living a good enough lifestyle, they didn't have to struggle for survival.
Then they turned to art and science and so on, and had the right...
You need the organization of a society there with something like a police force of a government to maintain moral order.
In order for technology to increase. Doesn't mean people weren't intelligent.
Now of course some have understandably pointed to wartime as a fruitful time for military
innovations.
But in the overall scheme of things, it's still the periods of peace that were most
advantageous, as opposed to the more specialized advances made in weaponry during war.
And even during the world wars, for example, World War 1, World War 2, there was peace within the countries. For example, even though
the UK and US were on war footing, these nations maintained order within their nations.
The Flood society was different: it was a society full of violence. Only evil continually.
Yes, the pre-Flood world was far from a biblically-based civilization; rather, it rejected God and
was full of violence as we read in Genesis 6:11.
These are hardly the conditions required for good scientific research, and technology to advance, and this is the
main thing overlooked by those who overstate the technology of Noah's time.
So next time you read through the Biblical genealogies hopefully you will see them as
they are rightly presented.
There were definitely some geniuses in the genealogies!
And we'll be back!
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Well welcome to our 'In the News' section where
we take something in the popular news that has something to do with the creation/evolution
debate and discuss and analyse it and go from there. OK.
Here's an interesting one titled, 'Mystery of Why Turtles Have Shells Solved After 8-Year Old Finds Fossil'.
Well that sounds pretty good...
Yes very enlightening I'm sure.
Here we go. "Some time ago, an 8-year old named Kobus Snyman
found some turtle bones on his father's farm in South Africa.
The six-inch turtle specimen then made its way to scientists studying the ancient evolution
of turtles and, specifically, how and why turtles evolved to wear protective shells." That's the way the article starts.
Let's find out why they got shells. And skipping down a bit here, "…scientists never quite understood why turtles had shells
in the first place.
Were they always for protection?
It seemed like an awfully cumbersome way to go about it, and, as it turns out, the shells
weren't originally for protection at all." Oh! Good to know. The article continues,
"Why the turtle shell evolved is a very Dr. Seuss like question and the answer seems pretty
obvious—it was for protection," says Tyler Lyson, who led the research.
"But just like the bird feather did not initially evolve for flight—we now have early relatives
of birds such as tyrannosaur dinosaurs with feathers that definitely were not flying—the
earliest beginnings of the turtle shell was not for protection but rather for digging
underground to escape the harsh South African environment where these early proto turtles lived."
Where do you start with a story like that?
I mean, I think the Dr Seuss reference was pretty relevant.
This is a made up story to amuse young minds that's the way it comes off.
Well how about we start with the feathered T rex comment?
We have an article on our website totally debunking that by an evolutionist!
The original National Geographic article 'Feathers for T. Rex?'
attracted fierce criticism from some very prominent evolutionists because of its poor
science, provoking some evolutionists to use words like 'total hoax'.
Yes, the article even illustrated a baby T. rex with feathers, as well as putting feathers
on another theropod dinosaur, Deinonychus.
And all of that was based on a fossil illegally exported from the Liaoning Province in China,
tentatively named Archaeoraptor which was allegedly a 'feathered dinosaur'.
Yes and this Archaeoraptor it turns out it was a total hoax, a forgery which National
Geographic has admitted to.
You can look that up on the link here on the screen. You can see that information there.
So this article talking about how we can know why turtles evolved shells is using comparisons
to how we can know that T rex had feathers, which is based on a fraud!
Amazing that they call this stuff science, but let's face it, the average public doesn't
know all of that. Right.
That's why we talk about it I guess to just get people to realize this is not science. And you can read the whole article and all they do is make an assertion.
Oh, they evolved shells so they could escape from the harsh sun. One of the questions you want to ask when you read these articles and these new scientific
discoveries this kind of thing, is that the only possible explanation? Of course the answer is no, you can come up with many. Use your imagination. They do!
They use it all the time. Anyway, this is the last episode of season six. This is our 144th episode today. So we'll see you next season!
If you want to see some of the previous episodes go to Creation.com and watch them there on the media center. See you next year...
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