E: Hey what's up hello my name is Emma and today I'm here of course the lovely
Cassandra Clare. We are here in Charleston South Carolina at
Blue Bicycle Books for Yallfest and I'm extremely excited to have you back on my channel.
C: I'm happy to be back on your channel E: I'm so lucky I'm like I didn't think it would be so soon
but I'm not gonna complain about it. *laughs*
So if you want to check out the two others videos that I filmed with Cassie,
I will definitely leave them below but today
we're gonna do a little bit of a change of pace and talk about something that
Cassie has recently announced that I'm sure has everyone shook.
So you have recently announced a completely new non-Shadowhunter's project C: That's true.
E: that is the world in how many years? C: It's not gonna come into the world until 2021.
E: Oh my goodness. Well we're all waiting already but I want to start like right from the beginning,
so what inspired you to do something totally new, like where did this idea start?
C: It's a high fantasy and it's an adult project so it's not YA
and it came from literally a story that I've been working on for like 15 years
that like before I started working on City of Bones I started this high
fantasy project and then I sort of put it aside cuz I decided I wanted to work
on urban fantasy but I've always sort of percolating in the back of my head and
I was it existed like as a world but it didn't have a story and that was
the problem with it um and so I think it was earlier... late last year in the winner
I was, I suddenly had the idea for the book which is called SWORD CATCHER and
it was the idea for sort of the central characters conflict which is that he is
taken as a child from his home and brought to the palace in his country
where he is forced to be the stand-in for the Crown Prince because he looks
like him and so he goes out in public he basically he lives with the Prince he
trains with him he learns all his mannerisms he learns how to talk like
ham he grows up with him and he impersonates him in public
because of the high risk of assassination and as this is happening
he's basically is one of the few people who spends a lot of time with the Crown
Prince because the Crown Prince has so much power doesn't really have friends.
What he does have is this guy who is sort of legally required to always be
with him and the Crown Prince as I turns out to be incred- complicated and
really difficult person and so our main character's name is Callian, his conflict
is partially I know what this guy is like almost nobody else knows what he's
really like and for him to become King would be a terrible thing so what do I do.
So that's only like sort of the conflict that kicks off the book.
E: It's still so you, it's still so you. C: It is super me! It's super me, I know.
But like it has all the stuff that I love you know it has like the intense you
know these intense relationships these like a group of like really tightly knit
friends and a lot of really intense you know conflicts and so and all of that
stuff is just stuff that I like. E: Yes. Absolutely.
So I'm just curious, how do you plan to balance this with all of your other works?
C: That's what my publisher said. *laughs*
Well basically, the hope is all of my books, THE LAST HOURS, the Magnus books will all be
turned in before I start really working on SWORD CATCHER or full-time then I'm
gonna have SWORD CATCHER come out in 2021 and its sequel which is called the
THE RAGPICKER KING comes out in 2023 so in between those hopefully I'm gonna have
the first WICKED POWERS book. So it's definitely like you know as we go
forward there will be a year where we have probably one SHADOWHUNTERS book
and then in the fall, the SWORDCATCHER book and so I'm hoping that you know
people you know, since the Shadowhunter books are continuing that people aren't
gonna feel like it's like taking their place. E: Yeah that's something to think about.
C: It's more like, you know once I finished Magisterium with Holly which we finished this year I
started feeling like I needed to have balance you know because it's been so
long for me that I've had two different projects so it had Shadowhunters and all
of its you know attending you know spin-offs in short story collections and
everything and then I've also had Magisterium and so I realized when I was
done that for me it was really hard to only write in one world it's just
something that I'm not used to anymore and so I was like well maybe I can
bounce back over to something else and I actually called Holly
even though we're no longer working on Magisterium, she is still my critique partner and I was like
I had this idea you know for this fantasy novel and what do you think like
this would be the central conflict and she was like oh I would I think you
should do it so she's like, "write me up an outline so I can see what it's like"
and I wound up writing the 17,000 word outline because you know I
never write something short when I can write something long E: You're such an overachiever
So I bring it to her and she's like," you have to show this to your agent" I showed it at my agent I mean he was
just like, "I love this like so much like let me show it to people" and so it went from there.
E: That's so exciting. That's so interesting that you say like you can't write in one world because you're so like
notorious for writing so many stories in the same world. C: I know!
E: But that's such an interesting fact C: I think that I need to have the balance though to be able to do it.
E: So while we're talking about like the Magisterium and everything like obviously
you have successful works outside of Shadowhunters. So obviously I'm sure this
is like so exciting for you embarking on totally new journey,
Is there anything that is particularly challenging about it at this point?
C: I think for me the fact that it's an adult project. You know I've
written for so long about teenagers and then for Magisterium I had to learn a
kind of a whole new language of writing to write middle grade then you have to
learn another whole new language of writing to write adults not because,
everyone's always like is it gonna be really filthy and I'm like I think
that's not it's the the characters being older have a completely different set of
priorities they're at different places sort of in their life everything they
care about different things they're invested in different things you know
they have different relationships to the world and that is a challenge because
it's a not something I do. E: I'm so excited.
And so to bring things back to Shadowhunters,
today at Yallfest we got a very very exciting new piece of info
for Shadowhunters, including c: the cover of QUEEN OF AIR AND DARKNESS
which is my favorite cover so far I love it I do I love LADY MIDNIGHT but this
one is I think has surpassed it. E: So like were you involved in the process of this
cover like did you say like "I want Annabel to be on the cover" or just like
come in front of you and you said, "This is perfect!"?
C: Um yeah I mean I was I was pretty involved we knew we wanted Emma for our
first cover. Doing Julian for the second cover was actually torture because
it's so hard to film a guy underwater because they-
they don't have the same thing where the clothes floating and the hair floating
around looks really cool and romantic and just looks really weird so we had
incredible trouble with that and my artist, Cliff, was like "No more dudes." *laughs*
It's like okay so we can't do what I had thought we would probably do which was Mark.
E: That's what I was originally speculating. C: Exactly.
E: So it can't be a guy so I have too much trouble picking what girl
you know like could be Cristina. It could be Dru. It could be somebody it couldn't be. *my heart breaks internally*
but it could be Diana and all of them would be totally viably awesome you
know women to put on the cover and I thought oh I think in this case
we go for Annabel because in a lot of ways the villain stands outside that
circle of characters and I think also having her like I really love the way
that it's come out because I think our idea was that sort of she would seem to
be kind of rising and rising in power and rising in like you know sinister-ness
if that's a word and so then it would be like it would carry with it
like this sense of being beautiful but also a little scary
E: And so while we're on the topic of Shadowhunters 'cause I clearly can
only go a specific amount of time without talking about it. I mean my project is not
C: We can talk about Shadowhunters! I mean, my project isn't even started writing so...
E: This is true, we are just picking the surface of your brain at the moment.
So I started this game on BookTube or like I brought it to BookTube called R.I.P it or Ship it.
C: Oh my god. E: Essentially you take characters and you think of them
as a pairing so you either rip it, like r.i.p the ship is dead it's never
gonna happen or you ship it. So I printed out a bunch of your character
names from all series that we have so far including THE LAST HOURS.
So clearly only you like have the insight on that so I figured we could
pick a few pairings what'd you think of them?
C: Okay, let's do it. E: As a note I did only include ones that were aged like 16-19
C: That's probably wise.
Otherwise, you're just like "OH no, rip it" *laughs* No 12 year olds.
E: Yes, so you want to do the honors?
C: Okay so I'm just gonna pick out two. I kind of love this. E: Yes pick out two and we'll see what happens.
Maybe we'll get her to have some spark of like an alternate universe. C: I love an alternate universe.
Oh god, Zara Dearborn...
and Simon Lewis. *laughs*
I have to rip this one, Zara's a horrible person.
Like she's one of the few characters, nothing about them that I like yes and I
feel and I love Simon so I feel like he would be able to tolerate Zara for about
two minutes before... fleeing and maybe in arranging her E: That's a stretch
assassination so I think we're gonna have to say no on that one.
E: I think it's like like shipping Umbridge with Ron Weasley. C: YEAH exactly
C: Somebody probably does do that though. E: Oh my god, there's Harry Potter Fanfiction for everything.
C: Like Harry and the Giant Squid. E: Oh my goodness, there's too many.
C: I could totally do this all day, this is so entertaining.
Malcom Fade...
and Clary Fray. E: Oh my goodness. I tried to put some interesting characters in there.
C: I think what's interesting about Malcolm is that we
meet him in THE LAST HOURS and he's so totally different because he hasn't had
these huge betrayals in his life that I'm like majorly changed him so I feel
like Clary and Malcolm of THE LAST HOURS could probably make it work for a little
while but I don't think current Malcom with Clary would work.
E: I'm gonn have to read THE LAST HOURS like with this in my mind.
C: Well it would be interesting. E: So do you ship it?
C: No, I don't think I ship it.
Sorry Malcolm but I know what happens to you in the future.
Aline Penhallow...
Raphael Santiago. *laughs*
Well Aline is a lesbian. Raphael is an aromantic asexual so they will never
ever have a romantic relationship but I think they can be a totally awesome
buddy-cop team yeah I'm like take down bad guys and you actually will see them
interact with each other in THE RED SCROLLS OF MAGIC so that's something to look forward to.
So I guess I would have to rip it but with no prejudice.
E: Yes, I think we can expand the word "ship" to maybe like "friendship". C: Yeah, I "friend" them. I friendship them.
E: Let's pick out a few more. I'm actually really enjoying this
C: I know this is really fun. E: And you just have so many to choose from.
C: Okay so we have Cordelia Carstairs...
C: And Gideon Lightwood. E: Hm...
C: Are they related? No. E: At this point, how many of your characters are not-
E: somehow related? C: I mean, they're all a little related.
C: Um... Gideon... He's a little older than Cordelia. E: This is very true.
C: And I feel it probably- it wouldn't work out but I think that they could
have a lovely friendship. I feel like I need to get to one where I'm gonna ship it though.
E: I feel like you're very set in the relationships that you have formed in your head.
C: It's possibly true. Matthew Fairchild and Christopher Lightwood.
Okay you know what, that could totally happen.
C: I'lll ship it, I'll ship it. E: You ship it? C: I ship it.
E: I think from what we do know of them with the published works like Tales From Shadowhunter Academy,
and the things that you've shared, I could see it. C: I ship Matthew with most people, I see it. So it's fine. E: Yeah, he's a cutie.
E: Okay wanna go for the last one? C: Okay. James Herondale...
C: LUCY HERONDALE. *laughs*
C: You know I feel if it told this story. E: Oh my goodness, yeah. C: We've already done the incest.
E: I was like this is just going like right back to the beginning.
C: I know! It was so funny when we did the panel that we were we
were just doing about expanding world so it was like well sometimes you know you
have to, you set up, you know a pair of characters and then later you wish
that you could get them in relationship you can't because they're like brother
or sister or something and I was like I really don't see why that's a problem. *laughs*
I really feel like you can just fix that one.
I gotta say that they are super close brother and sister they're super supportive.
Lucy is super supportive of James. James loves his little sister super protective of her,
chases off all guys that are around her yes they're not good enough for her. She is super protective of him
because you know people judging because they believe that you know his ability
to see the sort of see the shadow world is like a devilish power and all that so
I would say that I "relation-ship" them as family like super hard. I think they're a great brother-sister relationship.
E: Aw I'm so excited to learn more about them. I feel like that was the perfect one to end on. C: Yeah the perfect one to end on!
C: I was like "AHAHH"
E: Well, Cassie, thank you so much for being on my channel again.
C: Of course! I always enjoy. E: It's always a pleasure to have you.
Don't foget to look out for the release of QUEEN OF AIR AND DARKNESS coming...
C: December 4th 2018. E: I'm so so excited.
C: I'm so excited for you guys you get to read it and I'm sure I will talk to Emma again
before that and we will have more exciting things to tell you.
E: Of course, I will leave all of Cassie's information, her website, social media links though I'm sure you already all follow them.
But that is it for this video, thank you guys so much for watching and I will see you soon for a new one. Bye!!
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