Hi everyone, my name is Mick Davoudian, on behalf of Club NVegans which is
NVIDIA's vegan club. First, an official thank you to all of you for coming over
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Let's give a warm greeting to our guest speaker, Dr. Sailesh Rao.
Thank you, Mick.
So I'm going to talk to you about healthy living, but I have to disclose
first of all that I'm not a medical doctor. I'm a system specialist so I look
at things from a systems perspective and, really, healthy living is a systems issue
because you really cannot live healthily if you're marinating in filth. So it's
not just about our own individual health but it's about the health of everything
around us. Okay, so environmental health becomes part of healthy living and so I
started Climate Healers in 2007 mainly because I was so shocked by what I saw
in Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" documentary. Basically, climate change had pushed me
into studying this full-time and within a few months after I saw his
presentation I basically closed down our 10 Gigabit Ethernet company I think
Gopal [in audience] knows that. And then I told my wife I'm gonna focus on this full-time.
So, thankfully, she was saying (she's a great partner) she said go for it that's what
you want to do and I didn't realize at that time what I was taking on... it's
been what 12 years... and I think I'm still not done, you know? There's plenty more
work to be done. So I'm going to tell you what I found and I mean just to put this
in some simple terms that you can understand. I was part of---I attended the
Animal Liberation conference [in Berkeley, CA] over the past week with Mick and he would say
"what does Animal Liberation got to do with healthy living?" You know, it seems like
it's so far off, right?
So my organization, Climate Healers, have a couple of phrases we use for the word "heal".
How do you heal? How do you make something whole?
That's what "heal" is: to make something whole. We live in a system that
deals with just symptoms. We don't really make things whole. Currently, our modern
medicine is really based on fixing symptoms. I had a really painful
experience of that in 2005-2006 when I had a hyper-thyroid condition: so I went
to the doctor and I trusted these experts I assumed that they knew what
they were doing. And they started giving me this treatment that went on for about
a couple of years and they basically said you're hyper-thyroid is cured. I said
"really? okay, good." But the doctor insisted that I keep coming back and
getting it tested, and after another three months she said now you have
hypothyroidism so you have to take thyroid medication (thyroid supplements)
for the rest of your life! Then I realized *that* was the treatment. The
treatment was to kill my thyroid and then give me thyroid medication for the
rest of my life. So they never really understood what was the root cause of my
thyroid problem. They were just trying to figure out how to deal with
the symptom. And what I discovered with Al Gore and what environmentalists are
doing today is that they are trying to do exactly the same thing with the Earth!
They [look to] fix the symptoms of climate change and not address the root cause. So that's
when I started Climate Healers in 2007 because I was--I said "this is
unacceptable" I can't do this, I cannot be party to a system where people are, you
know, it's as if you go to a doctor with a mild fever, say, a
one degree Celsius fever, and the doctor examines you, and says "you know that
lump you have on the side of your head? The [lump that's the] size of a coconut?
That's the cause of the fever, so I'm gonna give you some Tylenol to address
the fever." Would you be happy with that doctor? Or would you say "what are you gonna
do about this lump that you just told me about?" And suppose the doctor at that point
says "I'll make sure it doubles in size as quickly as possible! And by the time
I'm done, you look like you have three heads." That's exactly what I was hearing
from Al Gore: he has the root cause and then he was saying you're gonna double
the size of the economy in 50 years, but we'll make sure that the fever doesn't
go over two degrees Celsius. So how do you limit it to below two degrees Celsius?
So [the word] "heal", to me, is how do you make things whole? How do you reverse it?
How do you address the root cause so that you really are whole again? And "heal"
it's actually Human Earth Animal Liberation (HEAL)---all of it has to happen
together, because from a systems perspective, that's really what it's
called in order to heal something, to make it whole again. And I'm
going to talk about Veganism a lot. This is why the Vegan Club invited me, because
you hear about people going Vegan for health, you hear about people going Vegan
for environment, and Vegan for the animals, but the most important reason
why people go Vegan and stay with Veganism and become activists is because
you become Vegan for love! And that's also the "L" in the word "heal" there.
From a systems perspective, Veganism is the baseline. If you want to really heal
the planet and if you want to heal yourself. So people say, "oh I will get to
Veganism when I can, at some point in the future..." But I'm saying no,
no, that is the least we should be doing for ourselves for the planet and for
other people around us and the animals. If that's the least, then there is more that
needs to be done, because that's just the baseline. So let me give you a little bit
of a history on how I came to this conclusion: I started working on the
environment in 2007, I started Climate Healers in 2007 and within two years I
was probably the most depressed human being on the planet. I thought we were
going to hell in a handbasket: there's no way that any one person can do anything
about this. It's such a horrific problem! And, here, I was in this sanctuary in the
Western Ghats of India in 2009 and this is where I got the most depressed.
There's nothing wrong with the sanctuary, it's a beautiful place: you can see how
beautiful it is. It was started by a couple from New Jersey who went to India,
bought a coffee plantation, and just let it go. Well, they tore down the fences and
then let it go. So I asked him, you know, this is so perfect because you sit there and
you know it's as if every animal does its own thing and it's perfect, as part of
this environment. I had the sense of perfection, so I asked him: what did you
have to do to make this happen? He said nothing! Tore down the fences, let the animals
come and do their thing and the forest came back. So coffee plantation became
this. And I said that's it? That's all you had to do? He said no, no, actually there was one
other thing we had to do: we had to patrol the land and make sure that
no human being comes inside.
And at that point, I felt extremely small. As if I didn't belong on Earth, because I
was born in this forest and yet she was basically telling me that I don't belong
in my own birthplace. But this is a story that we tell ourselves, you know, this is
a story that that disconnects us from nature. Anyway, I was so depressed and a
year later, this girl was born. She's our granddaughter Kamiya.
She's born in Phoenix, Arizona and we were living in the Bay Area, California at that time and
as soon as she was born, my wife disappeared. She's not to be found: she'd
come back after a week and then disappear again. So about a month later,
she told me there is something magical about this girl: you have to go see her!
And I did, and I held her in my arms for the first time and I had the same
feeling of perfection that I had of the sanctuary. So I realized that she belongs
exactly as she is. We all must belong exactly as we are. But as human beings we
tell stories and our stories don't match what we are trying to do. So I said you
know this is my research job I have to figure out a story in which we belong
exactly as we are and she belongs exactly as she is. And of course, as part
of that story, we are going to change. Of course, we have to change. There's no
question we have to change. So that started my quest and if you look at how
people deal with health and questions like this, these are the---really you know
everything we do as human beings, we address these three questions. We answer
them in some way or the other, implicitly or explicitly: Who are we? What is our
relationship with the world? And why are we here?
So I started looking at this, at the three questions that you need to answer
for our species: Who are we as a species? How do we belong? What is the
relationship with the world? And why are we here? Because every other species
knows its place: they just come and do their thing, and the forest comes back!
Why is that we cannot do that? Right? So there is something in our story: How do we
tell our story? How do we answer these three questions? So if we do belong
exactly as we are now, what makes us unique as a species? Who are we compared
to any other species? We are the only species, other than maybe insects, some
insects, who can congregate in the billions and do something together.
And we do that through stories. Money is a story: it's just a piece of
paper with picture of dead presidents on them, right? But we all believe in that story.
And because we believe in that story, we coordinate our actions.
So we're a very unique species in that sense. We can actually do a lot of good or we
can do a lot of bad, through coordinating our stories. So compared to any other
species like chimpanzees: you cannot get 50 chimpanzees sitting in a room and
listen to another chimpanzee, it never happens: they'll be running around,
jumping around and they won't be coordinated. If they could be
coordinated, they'll probably dominate the world too. That's what we can do.
So imagine: if all 7.5 billion of us come together and decide to change our story
how would we do that? Let's say we first come together physically,
and get together to have dinner or lunch. How big should the dining be?
Do you think the dining hall will be bigger than the United States?
Bigger than the state of California?
What do you think? Bigger than the San Francisco Bay Area?
How about the size of California? Turns out it's about 60 miles on a side,
if you want to meet fast food regulations.
So you can imagine building a dining hall like that, and we all get together to have a meal together.
Now let me ask you: how many of you are Vegan here?
Okay. How many of you would deliberately hurt an innocent animal unnecessarily?
None! So by definition, all of you are Vegan.
That's who you are. In fact, 99.5% of human beings are Vegan...
in their hearts, to begin with, because that's the statistic. But a lot of us
99.5% or 99% of human Vegans are "closet" Vegans
They have not "come out of the closet" yet. It's exactly what
happened in the Gay Movement: it took time for the gays to come out of the
closet to acknowledge that they are gay, to acknowledge who they really are. So this
is the process we are on right now, they're bringing us all out of the
closet. We are all vegans to begin with, unless you're sociopathic, then you're
not right. So let's say in the dining hall, we decide we're going to have a
meal together. What what is your meal choice? What would you choose to have
as a meal? What is your menu choice? So the first is the Vegan choice: if you
wanted to feed everyone an organic Vegan meal, you need to procure one and a half
million tons of food per meal. So that's roughly half a pound per person.
This is the dry weight of the food, okay? So I deal in just numbers
in terms of the dry weight of the food, you need about half a pound per person.
At the end of the meal, you can then take all the seeds from the meal, and use that to
replant one and a half million acres of land. And you can do that for the next
eight thousand meals and bring back all the trees and the forests and you still
wouldn't have used all the land we are currently using for animal agriculture.
you're using thirty one percent of the land area of the planet just to raise
animals at the moment so on that land if you replant all the seeds you will
see the forest will recover and the climate will literally heal okay so
that's the top at the bottom I'm showing what we are doing today if everyone ate
what they're eating today you need to procure nine million tons of food six
times as much that's what you really need to eat and the reason is the other
seven and half million tons has to be fed to the animals were milling outside
so they eat the other 70 million tons which is roughly two and a half pounds
per person five times as much food as we do and in return they give us less than
an ounce of animal foods the dry weight is less than an ounce there's a forty to
one reduction that happens going through the animal and of course you'll drive 70
species extinct you have to go kill two billion animals now you all said you
would never deliberately hurt an innocent animal unnecessarily so who
would go and kill those two billion animals you have to pick on somebody to
do that right so someone comes along and says I have a bright idea I'll print
pieces of paper with pictures of dead presidents on
and then we'll throw the pieces of paper on the floor and there's a mad scramble
whoever gets the paper they get to eat the animals and they get to have good
food the others don't get any food and you forced them to go and kill the
animals do all the slaughterhouse work go graze the animals and bring the food
tear that's what's going on now it's the poor people who go do all that work the
dirty work it's the women who go do all that work see you pick on people who are
weak who are colored or poor who are you know female so you get sexism racism
colonialism all built into the food system itself you have to then destroy
20,000 acres of forests and degrade 7 billion million acres of land so all of
these environmental issues come from just how we choose our food so what do
you think is the healthy living which would be healthy living the top of the
bottom it's obvious right once you look at it I say I mean come on who would
design a system like this but that's what we have inherited we have inherited
a system of normalized violence of artificial scarcity because roughly you
get only one ounce of animal food per person that's a scarce resource so
people fight for it the average American eats 3 ounces per meal so someone has to
eat less to make up for that right so there's artificial scarcity created even
though you're procuring 6 times as much food as you really need so system of
normalized violence is what we are in and what we need to do is to transition
to a system of normalized non-violence that is the massive transformation that
is happening right now
what is the relationship of the world today as a species our relationship of
the world is as a lira sociopathic species other species look at us and
said there go those crazy guys they're coming over now get away from them this
is really what happens 52% of wild vertebrates were killed between 1970 in
2010 in terms of biomass 52% of them disappeared and that became 58 percent
between 1970 in 2012 so we are losing an additional 3% per year at that rate when
will we kill all 100% of all vertebrates
by 2026 I made this calculation back in 2014 and
the report came out the first report from the World Wildlife Fund Living
Planet report 2014 said that 52 percent of all white whale vertebrates died
between 1970 in 2010 and I knew at that point that we are going to hit Year Zero
by 2026 because I just took an exponential curve that has gone from one
to three point eight which is the increase in impact on human human impact
on the environment between 1970 and 2010 and said if we extrapolate that out how
many more years can you do this before the area under the curve hits hundred
percent it was just 16 years okay and I was so shocked I pledged to my
granddaughter that there will be more wild animals when she is 16 years old
then when she was born she was born in 2010 and it was in a public forum and
everybody stood up and clapped because no one really wants to see this happen
but that's what's happening and then I thought to see here I'm doing a crude
calculation I'm jumping to conclusions that didn't know we're gonna kill all
the wild animals by 2026 I thought I would wait and wait for the next data
point that came out in 2016 that said that 58% of all vertebrates
between 1970 in 2012 that's when we started the vegan was 2026 campaign
because we have no choice but to turn the whole world vegan by 2026 absolutely
no choice but to do that that's the only way we're going to recover while
vertebrates by 2026 if all of us plead with friends and family and convert
everyone we know that this is a serious issue and we need to address this and
the reason it's happening is because we are raising more and more land animals
just for food so we raise sixty two billion nine animals in 2010 and every
every year we're raising an additional two billion animals so by nine 2016 were
seventy four billion land animals so we're expanding our footprint on land we
keep deforesting twenty million to 30 million acres every year obviously
there's no space for the wild animals to live they're going to die off when you
do that and this is actually we are assaulting them from land you're killing
them in the ocean so we kill about one to three trillion sea animals every year
for food alone and we're killing them in the air birds are dying really fast as
well and the reason we killing them in the air is through our toxic chemicals
so we pour 250 billion tons of toxic chemicals into the environment every
year if you have white paper that caused a whole bunch of toxic dioxins to be
emitted because that came from wood pulp that had to be bleached and so whenever
you pour chlorine on a hydrocarbon you get dioxin and the axes are some of the
strongest carcinogens known to man so you say
I mean 250 billion tons just put that in you know there are seven and a half
billion of us so that's about 30 tons per person per year so imagine that's
like 30 elephants that each one of us is carrying
with us of toxic chemicals so you can understand why I was so depressed and we
are pouring sixty billion tons of greenhouse gases annually of that only
36 billion tons is carbon dioxide and the only thing that algo talks about is
the 36 billion tons of carbon dioxide he doesn't talk about anything else the
rest is just peachy I don't think so we have to deal with all of it if we have
to heal the climate if you want to heal ourselves you have to deal with all of
this so this is who we what our relationship in the world today so then
the third question is why are we here and it turns out to be the most
important question if you answer the Y correctly you can address the other two
questions easier so this took me another five years of research to figure this
out
is humanity nothing more than a cancer on the planet consuming its hosts until
it is gone guaranteeing its own destruction in the process
a quick glance at the effects of our behavior might lead us to say yes but
looks can be deceiving nature shows us that what is destructive on one level
can also be part of a larger process of change that creates new forms of value
at another level consider the indian elephant at first glance the elephant
appears to be destructive as she tramples through the forest breaking
limbs from trees eating all the jackfruit and littering the landscape
with huge piles of poop but when we look closer we see that the trampling
provides pathways for the other animals in the forest the breaking of tree
branches allows the sun's rays to reach the forest floor
enabling plants to grow in the understory and elephant poop contains
jackfruit seeds buried in fertile manure which propagates the jackfruit tree like
the elephant could it be that some of humanity's destructive behavior might
actually have some positive unintended consequences
as we look back at Earth's story we learn that its climate has been vastly
different throughout its history when dinosaurs roamed the land earth was void
of ice the sea level was hundreds of meters higher and the temperature 10
degrees warmer than it is today modern science has learned that there is a
direct relationship between the concentration of greenhouse gases in the
atmosphere in the earth's temperature greenhouse gases are like a blanket
around the earth absorbing just the right amount of heat from the Sun to
make life possible the higher the concentration the warmer the temperature
in Earth's more recent history it has endured a series of long ice ages during
each Ice Age life struggles to survive imagine a one-mile thick sheet of ice on
top of Chicago all the forests die most of the life in the forest die as very
little can survive in these extreme conditions every hundred millennia a
slight change in the earth's tilt allows the planet to absorb just enough
additional heat to thaw some of the ice life expands for a few thousand years
during this interglacial period before retreating again as the earth tilts back
and falls into another Ice Age enter human beings
from the Earth's perspective humans are new to the scene we've been here for a
blink of an eye but we've been busy as the earth entered its most recent
interglacial period humans began deforesting the earth to fuel their
nation civilizations it is calculated that more greenhouse gases were released
into the atmosphere through deforestation then all the gases emitted
from the burning of fossil fuels humans unknowingly to them warmed the earth
delaying the onset of the next Ice Age
it turns out that there's a safe zone when it comes to greenhouse gas
concentrations that keeps earth at just the right temperature for life as we
know it to thrive any less and we freeze anymore and we fry in the last few
decades we've blown past this safe zone way too fast for life today to adjust as
we continue to destroy the forests for animal agriculture and find destructive
new ways of extracting fossil fuels adding evermore greenhouse gases to the
atmosphere while our actions have had devastating impacts to many species on
the planet they've also enabled humans to develop
the technology necessary to monitor Earth's composition like the part of the
brain that helps stabilize and regulate our body's temperature humans now have
the ability to help earth regulate its temperature we've already been doing it
unconsciously for thousands of years perhaps it's time we become conscious of
our role on the planet as the thermostat species when we choose to stop eating
animals the land used for raising those animals can be restored to forests and
those forests can sequester all of the greenhouse gases we've emitted during
the fossil fuel age bringing us back within the safe zone where life as we
know it can thrive this requires that humanity undergo a metamorphosis from an
egocentric consumer culture to an eco centric life enriching culture again
nature shows us how this is done a caterpillar spends his entire life
from the moment he's born eating he eats the nutritious shell he was born out of
then he eats the leaf the egg was clinging to
the caterpillar continues eating all the leaves he encounters once fully satiated
the caterpillar attaches to the underside of a twig and begins growing a
cocoon new imaginal cells are born
at first the imaginal cells are attacked by the caterpillars immune system but
soon they multiply in the immune system gives up
what was once a caterpillar is now a messy glob of imaginal goo soon out of
the cocoon emerges a beautiful butterfly
the butterfly is a very light consumer
as she sips the nectar she pollinates the flower is helping to regenerate life
nurturing life instead of destroying it
the time has come for humanity to undergo its metamorphosis our imaginal
cells are awakening we have a unique opportunity in this pivotal time in
history to realize our full potential by considering ourselves stewards of life
applying the lessons we've learned to nurture the conditions for life to
thrive for all of Earth's remaining years
so is the caterpillar satiated at the moment do you think if you look at the
total biomass of human beings and wild animals from ten thousand two hundred
thousand years ago it was a roughly around 200 million tonnes all the wild
animals put together was 200 million tons and we were a small blip on top of
that by 2010 human population alone was double the weight of all the wild
animals from 10,000 years ago our population and wild animals were down by
90% I'm sorry 80 percent it's 90 percent
today with 80% done and our farmed animals we're five times our weight so
we are carrying something five times our weight unnecessarily literally that's
what it is so overall that system is looks like a caterpillar that's satiated
it's much bigger than it should be right so you would think that people have been
doing this doing something about this right away but that's not what's going
on mr. Gore doesn't even talk about it hardly anybody talks about it they in
fact they encourage you to eat more animal foods the government's are on the
world are encouraging every one of us to eat more animal foods since the opposite
we wonder why what is going on here
which comes to my my point about human liberation see what is really going on
we did three documentaries to show what's going on
we did the human experiment which talks about the toxins we are pouring into the
environment so we're pouring 250 billion tons of toxins into the environment
every year that works its way up the food chain
it gets more and more concentrated in animal foods animal foods have 10 to 100
times concentration of toxins as any plant food so then they persuade you to
eat more animal food so you ingest that toxin in your body
and then you get chronic diseases when you do that and they come along and fix
you with pharmaceuticals again it's not fixing it basically addressing your
symptoms so literally human beings are being farmed being farmed I mean I was
my granddaughter is half South Asian one-quarter african-american and
one-quarter American Indian so I had gone to register her at the local
American Indian tribe she's an icky militant so I got to be
friends with the governor of that tribe and he told me their life expectancy in
the tribe is 50 because their food comes from the government the government sent
some boxes of food they used to be farmers there was one of the original
farmers in southwest but their River is now dry because we sucked all the water
out for ourselves so the government said don't worry about the food we'll send
you food so they sent boxes of what corporations would consider to be ideal
food so they get diabetes at the age of 8 or 10 and they I mean everyone is
trying to live as close as possible to a dialysis clinic so the life expectancy
is 50 and the governor told me if you don't watch out that's exactly going to
be your fate in 20 years that's where you're all headed to if you don't do
something about it that's where we're headed okay that's really where the
system is taking us this is why they don't talk about it just like the farm
animals their farming us who's this who are they they don't want to talk about
any of this you can go read watch these movies and you'll see people saying what
is this we don't know anything about animal agriculture so we did some
research to see who are these people so we looked at all the big meat companies
the big pharma companies big chemical companies and big media companies and
you will see the same for financial holding companies at the top of that
and those holding companies don't have to disclose who their shareholders are
but they're worth fifteen trillion dollars just by themselves and they
manage another thirty five trillion dollars in mutual funds so they have a
clout he : 250 trillion dollars and they are farming us global meat and dairy
consumers and you can look at a business it's actually an open secret you can go
look it up there's no conspiracy theory here you can go look it up on
Morningstar and you'll see them and in fact they are the same they are the
major shareholders of big banks big oil and big defense as well so the ballot we
cast in our Ward's every four years or every two years it's really a joke right
there they're finding both the parties doesn't matter who you vote for
eventually whatever they want happens so what are they doing about this they're
doing nothing about the environmental issues they're pretending to do
something I've been to our UN meetings and I can assure you nothing is
happening there so because their plan is to continue with this until it collapses
so keep doing it this is what it will be by 2026 and then of course there'll be a
mad scramble last who's going to live who's going to die and they have a
bunkers built I'm sure for themselves but I don't know what they're doing good
you cannot see this is why we look like a sociopathic species I think we really
literally are being led by sociopaths you know so Buckminster Fuller said this
you never change things by fighting the existing reality to change something you
build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete and that's what
we've been working on so to me my new model is a vegan world by 2026
get rid of all the farmed animals in certain days become a few sanctuary
animals and then human beings this is a much easier problem to solve
to address all the food needs for someone like that for a population like
that and then bring back the wild animals and then over time our
population will decline if you have the proper system the population will
decline automatically not by increasing the death rate but by decreasing the
birthrate and so we will reach equilibrium and we will be the true
thermostat species but the planet is looking for and the earth can rebound
very easily so we know that if you just bring back the original forest that used
to be there on the grazing land that that's currently being used for animal
agriculture you can sequester 265 Giga tons a carbon
on just 41 percent of that land which is more than the 240 gigatonnes of carbon
you added to the atmosphere since 1750 and this is indisputable all we did to
get this number was to replace grasslands with the original forests and
just add it up the numbers so everyone knew this is going to be this is the
true okay but they didn't want to look into it no one really wanted to study
this because it's a lifestyle issue and it can happen pretty fast we have seen
examples where it can go from this to this in four years but it requires us to
give up that land you can't use it for grazing animals if you just give that up
and return it back to native forests through bonds really fast I used to show
these two pictures during my talks and people would ask me are you sure they
didn't take the first picture doing somewhere in the second during winter
they're probably fooling you right so I went there in 2008 and I took this
picture of the fence to the right animals are not allowed to graze to the
left I saw a whole bunch of old cows grazing away and I instantly went vegan
on the spot because I realized that as dairy consumption was even worse
meet in terms of its impact on the planet because the daily cause if you
don't kill them they live for 25 years the eating of the forest we don't kill
the male calves the male calves look for 25 years they eat up the forest and when
they eat up the forest is nothing for the deer to eat the deer dies when the
deer dies the tiger dies so you can see the effect of food dairy consumption in
India your own eyes
so I've been working on 22news vegan world 20:26 for a year and a half and
when I started that I happen to be reading a story to my granddaughter and
she asked me at the end of the story who were the first humans can you tell me
who were the first humans and I tried to explain to her about evolution so I told
her imagine you are standing on the street and you're holding your mom by
your hand and he gets your mom to get her mom to come stand by her and he keep
doing that if I'm a line of momma's and the other side of the street he get a
chimpanzee to do the same thing with her mama and by the time the two lines reach
go from Phoenix to Tucson they would merge both lines would say that's my
mama too she thought about it for a moment and her eyes went huge she said
are you telling me that animals are my family and she started bawling why are
people eating my family grandpa make them stop make them stop there eating my
family and I told her I did I have started a project so that they will stop
by 2026 when you're 16 she said will you promise me that said yes give me a pinky
promise because he can never break a pinkie promise and that's what I did
yeah and the next day she came she I think she talked to her mom and her mom
said what did you get grandpa to promise you it's impossible that never happened
so she comes to me and she says I hear is very difficult
well you what you promise me so you can do it by the time I'm say
Dean it's okay anyway my goal is to give it to her you know to have a you know we
need to create a vegan but we need to set a deadline and say this is what we
are going to do so by 2026 if we don't do this we're gonna be in big trouble so
let's do let's work on that here is our campaign videos so that's our campaign
video and this is how we would the most important what you cast is what you eat
what you consume and you are casting that about three times a day
as to which you only want to see a vegan world or you want to see a Year Zero
2026 and how are others voting six hundred percent increase in vegans in
the u.s. in the last three years seventy percent of the people around the world
are decreasing the meat and dairy consumption so this is the tsunami it's
going to happen it reminds me of what happened in the internet you know in
1995 people said it's going nowhere and by 2005 it was like normal everybody had
to use it they couldn't live without it and in 2005 people told me that gay
marriage will never happen and by 2015 it was normal and in 2015 someone
actually told me that veganism will never happen so I know by 2026 it's
gonna be normal the religions are also getting into the act I mean now the
Hindu religion had a climate declaration and it said explicitly that adopting a
plant-based diet is one of the single most powerful laxative person can do so
they are calling on all Hindus to go vegan and 70 Hindu Vedas signed this we
are having a conference later this year in Arizona to talk about today what we
need to do a year-by-year to get there a step-by-step process for
what whatever intermediate goals for getting to the final goal of the vegan
world by 20 26 just about co-creating a culture of
normalized non-violence from the culture of normalized violence we live in today
it's co-hosted by ASU professor Lisa Barca is my co-conspirator and this is
some other transitions we are looking at I mean we have a list of 40 different
things that we need to change need to go from this to that from animal slavery to
animal liberation from domination control relating to partnership respect
relating and you can look that up on our website and I really believe that this
is the right time for this transformation to happen because every
major cultural transformation in human history has happened when we did three
things we changed what we ate we changed how we harnessed energy and we changed
how we communicated if we look at it you know we discover your fire
communications it was speech and then for energy it was cooking I mean for
fire and for food it was cooking for the agricultural revolution it was writing
for Communications it was animal energy for energy
it was crops for food Industrial Revolution it was the printing press
fossil fuels and factory farms and today it's going to be the internet
distributed internet in which you have individual privacy and institutional
transparency not the other way around so
that will be internet with the whole a chain is what I'd see that I say as a
way to do that solar energy with DC grid technology so it's distributed energy
and it's veganism so it's basically distributed food as well so that will
this distribute the power back to each one of us so you're also planning a
research and development center in Costa Rica where we try out all of these
transitions in one place so we can we can work out all the kinks so I call it
the imaginal cells Academy in Costa Rica we have found the site you're collecting
money for that at the moment and what can you do all of my slides are
available on my website and I have slide notes for every one of them so please go
ahead and download them and go talk to your friends talk to your family okay so
you be empowered and all of the data is available on my website too you can look
it up the references that he can look to see where it came from and mothma Gandhi
did something very similar exactly a hundred years ago in India he did the
kadhi movement in which he convinced people to change their clothes and that
literally got the British Empire on its knees begging to negotiate with him okay
he did that in exactly 12 years and this is one of his famous quotes he said it's
my duty to induce people by any honest means necessary to wear kadhi she was a
very militant activist for kadhi and he convinced everyone to become a militant
activist for kadhi and this is really what we need to do for veganism as well
it's exactly the same grass grassroots movement that has to happen now because
you're not going to get support from institutions on this and so it is our
duty to induce people by any honest means necessary to go vegan and all the
facts references for the facts are in climate here is no road slash facts and
I've written three books I mean have written two books and that one is a
joint with the brother wolf Animal Rescue meet them autocracy so within
these two books and they are all available online for free so please go
through them you can look up all the references in my books I try to make it
a fairly comprehensive research article research book okay so thank you very
much
we have time for questions tonight yeah
okay all right so the question the question is the current administration
is pushing everything back by eliminating all the regulations that
were put in place with the other administration I have it I did I just
repeated so I have a different perspective on I mean I don't think the
current administration is bad or good I don't see the previous administration as
bad or good okay but I just see the facts as to what is happening what is
happening with the elimination of all these regulations in fact they even
authorized the killing of hibernating bears and Wolf Cubs I mean it's horrific
what is happening now right truly horrific removing all regulations so you
can pollute anywhere anything you want but it's basically showing that the
current system is so messed up don't even expect any solution from this you
have to build our own so in that sense the current administration is exposing
the corruption in the system that was always there even though there were
regulations no one ever enforced them you know it's
hardly ever enforced there are regulations about animal cruelty and we
went there yesterday to a factory farm and said according to the regulations we
have a right to go in and inspect because we have evidence that there was
cruelty going on here guess what the sheriff won't let us so 40 people got
arrested is today so it doesn't matter what regulations what laws you have if
no one enforces them it's useless so this administration is basically said
it's useless so we're going to dump it so you see that nothing is happening in
the current system so it allows you to become empowered
so I see some positives no silencing yes sir yes right right right
so Joel Salatin Joe selectins model actually he does get a lot of input from
the outside because he's getting SOI feed for his for his animals as well so
what happens is when you take biomass from a field in the form of cows or eggs
or whatever and you ship it somewhere else
you're removing nutrients as well it's not just the carbon that's going as
nutrients are going as well so he has to find some way to replenish that and
that's why he's bringing in soy and other food from the outside anything you
do with animals is going to require this huge jump that I told you 40 to 40 X
increase in resource requirements and it creates that system of scarcity
artificial scarcity and all of the other oppressions that is built in and it
doesn't change it Joel Salatin's model and the second question was oh yes so
there is a whole movement about mechanic agriculture right now that doesn't use
any animal input except wild animals wild animals have allowed to come and
live and they drop their poop if they eat something but otherwise you can take
the biomass the crop residues and you can actually compost them yourself
instead of feeding it to an animal and taking it out at the other end right so
it's another way of doing composting so so there are cyclic systems that people
have been building now quite a few years that don't use any
don't require any animal input yes right so what should we do as part of the 2026
campaign to make sure that there's plenty of plant-based foods available it
turns out that even in the current system plant-based foods are 80 percent
of the foods that we eat it's only 20 percent thats animal-based foods and we
actually less than 20 percent so it's really was that 20 less than 20 percent
is substituting with other plant-based foods but I think part of the
transformation that has to happen is also shifting from fertilizer based
agriculture industrial agriculture to mechanic agriculture organic and vegan
akari culture that needs to happen to and the availability of plant-based
substitutes for transition has to happen because people are used to certain ways
of eating and it's hard for them to change unless there is a transition
method this is why I think plant-based milks and foods like that are very
important even though we are the only species that drinks milk after it's been
weaned no other species does that so milk is really not a necessary food so
to speak is that the be used to it and so we want something like that when we
transition but eventually we'll stop it too
so the question is organic agriculture doesn't yield as much as conventional
agriculture with fertilizers it turns out that on a sustainable basis organic
agriculture actually gives more on a sustainable basis you can but you can
mine the soil very quickly with conventional agriculture and take it all
out very quickly and then turn that into desert and move on to the next one
that's what's been going on so temporarily it looks like you're getting
a lot more yield right but you're literally mining the soil and you're
killing it moving on to another one yes we can't afford to do that anymore
we've done that enough we have turned around one third of the land area of the
planet into desert we did that you know the Sahara wasn't there as a desert to
begin with he created it the tell-tale sign is that Sahara is exactly where the
ancient civilizations of the world where it goes all the way from the western
edge of africa all the way into India as the thar desert it goes all the way into
China as the Gobi Desert the entire thing is the desert and that's where the
ancient civilizations of the world they're so yeah we have to get to a
sustainable way of doing things in which case organic is the only way to go Oh
big annek is the only way to go did you have a question before
right right okay so two questions the first question was the anything other
than food for veganism veganism literally you know any if we just look
at it from the perspective of the definition I gave you which is you
wouldn't deliberately hurt an innocent animal unnecessarily it turns out that
it automatically leads to conscious simplicity because every act of
consumption hurts some animals somewhere unnecessarily if it's unnecessary then
it's unnecessary so as a vegan you start off with food and then it becomes your
clothes and then your and then it becomes minimalism you know over time I
only buy things once a year now you know so it's you get to that point where you
get to conscious simplicity so this is why it is so contrary to the current
system this is why they hate it because it's going to collapse the entire
consumer economy okay so you really need a new system for veganism a new system
that in which you don't depend on consumption and growth but it depends
you know say instead of managing the economy for growth you have to manage
the economy for ecological drivability so it's a different mindset altogether
so we have a list of 40 different changes that need to happen so you can
look it up on our website I gave a list of some ten of them and that includes
you know things like you know human affairs how do you deal with equality
among humans and so it's all of them have to be solved right and secondly
about plants also suffering so to speak or you know plants also changing when
they when they're being eaten and being hurt plants tend to thrive in an
environment where there are animals that eat a little bit don't eat the whole
thing but eat a little bit at a time because then then they grow more right
so that's the kind of interaction we need to have it plants it shouldn't be
the current industrial model way we just take the entire damn thing out and then
dump it all into there and then plant another one right so it's much more it's
not a mechanically it's not you know something that is amenable to industrial
agriculture but it's more of what we can do ourselves if we get into it ourselves
so and I think that's what we will wind up doing eventually in the new system
because the new system has to be a system in which money is not trickle
from the top down I mean if you look at the way we do things today that's really
18th century technology you know the money is being technical from the top
down and you got pieces of paper with pictures of dead presidents I mean this
is this is like old stuff we we're beyond that why we sticking to that old
stuff right so you can do cryptographic currency currency that's tied to the
ecological footprint and so that guarantees that our when we close the
loop we have we you don't use them more than half the earth so you have this
built-in constraint built you know in the system itself so ideally what I'm
talking about is in a system in which people live their ordinary lives and the
planet thrives that's the system you want you don't want a system where
people live their ordinary lives and the planet dies that's a system we have
today yes you know that carrying capacity
question you saw how many we are sustaining today in terms of food we are
collecting 9 million tons of food per meal
ok so we are collecting the equivalent of 45 billion people equivalent but in
the form of a so many animals I'm not suggesting we go to 45 billion people
it's like wildly out of question but I think the planet can sustain 10 to 4 on
temporary basis but in the long run as I showed you you have to become smaller
and smaller so that we are just the thermostat species we are not the
species that all other species are now all of those pieces get a little bit and
we get the whole big pie so it's probably around 2 to 3 billion on a
long-term basis
any other questions thank you very much
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