Rob Markman: In terms of guys that's on the mainstream who can rap really fucking well...
Jameer Pond: Overall! Yeah.
Gia Peppers: Yeah.
Rob Markman: So he's in the conversation?
Mouse Jones: If we're using those qualifiers, if we're using the qualifiers as he's the
top 5 of the mainstream people that can rap, sure. But then when we take that qualifier
away and we're just saying top 5 spitters, he has to go.
Rob Markman: What's up, Geniuses, welcome back to For The Record. I'm your host, Rob
Markman. Now, on Wednesday night, J. Cole has returned. We saw the 'Revenge Of The
Dreamers' session, and we seen the first product out of it. It's a new J Cole single
produced by T Minus called "Middle Child." Really interesting song, a lot is said ... Talks
about his friendship with Drake. Talks about upholding a new generation and recording with
21 Savage and then going to lunch with Jay Z. Something about some beef and some sneakers,
and really about being in between two generations of rappers and kind of being the middle child.
Rob Markman: We wanna discuss this J. Cole song, because what else are we gonna talk
about this week here on this show? So, we assembled a panel of esteemed guests.
Mouse Jones: Like that.
Gia Peppers: I like that. I like the esteemed-
Rob Markman: That's you, Mouse Jones!
Gia Peppers: Ahh!
Mouse Jones: That would be the first lie!
Rob Markman: From the Club House Podcast.
Mouse Jones: With Mouse Jones.
Rob Markman: With Mouse Jones.
Mouse Jones: Shout out to Loudspeaker.
Rob Markman: And BET's Colorways and Toe Boxes-
Rob Markman: A show-
Gia Peppers: So many shows!
Rob Markman: ... that I'm a big fan of. A lot of shows that I'm ... I haven't been a
guest on yet, but one day I aspire to be...
Gia Peppers: Right!
Jameer Ponds: Another episode!
Mouse Jones: You were the first big name on my podcast.
Gia Peppers: Wow, wow, big name.
Mouse Jones: We just changed the name of it. It's the same podcast, and you were the first
big name on the podcast.
Rob Markman: I know, and I haven't been back since.
Rob Markman: Mouse Jones, welcome to the show.
Rob Markman: Next up, we have cohost of the Black Girl Podcast.
Rob Markman: ... One of my favorites. The only time I get to see this young lady is
when I turn on the TV and she's here today-
Gia Peppers: Thank you.
Rob Markman: ... Miss Gia Peppers, welcome to For The Record.
Gia Peppers: Hi! Hi everybody!
Mouse Jones: Funny thing about that, Rob, that's the only time any of us
get to see her.
Gia Peppers: Wow. Wow. Wow.
Jameer Pond: That is true!
Gia Peppers: It's not true at all.
Rob Markman: Wait for your introduction, fella.
Rob Markman: And here we go, last but not least. Certainly not least. We got into a
heated debate last time about Joe Budden and-
Jameer Pond: You got into a heated debate.
Rob Markman: ... but we're good now! We good! And he's back, Jameer Pond, media personality,
content creator-
Jameer Pond: Thank you.
Rob Markman: The hottest of takes.
Jameer Pond: Hey.
Mouse Jones: You were disrespecting Joe Budden?
Jameer Pond: I didn't. I was actually defending Joe Budden.
Rob Markman: He was actually defending Joe.
Rob Markman: No, but we're here now. J Cole, Middle Child, thank you everybody, welcome
to For The Record.
Mouse Jones: Thank you.
Gia Peppers: Thank you for having me. Us.
Rob Markman: Wednesday night, you know, Middle Child comes out, conceptual track, J Cole
kind of talking about how he's caught in between two generations, and ... This is my read of
it, that he kind of sees things from both sides.
Rob Markman: He can relate to 21 Savage.
Rob Markman: He can relate to Hov.
Mouse Jones: He cannot relate to Hov.
Gia Peppers: Wow! Wow, wow.
Rob Markman: But let's start with Mouse Jones! What did you think of Middle Child?
Mouse Jones: It was mid. It wasn't fire at all.
Rob Markman: Hold up, hold up. 'Cause that ... As far as soundbites go, that's a great
soundbite, right?
Mouse Jones: It was mid!
Rob Markman: Do you really believe that, or is that sound bite talking? I'm just making
sure, I'm just checking-
Mouse Jones: Listen. Dreamville has had it out for me, but it's all right, guys. Listen.
Mouse Jones: That record is mid. It's not a bad song.
Rob Markman: Right.
Mouse Jones: But after the year he had last year...
Mouse Jones: Well, I'll say outside of 'KOD.' My take is still, it was very lazy. But everything
he did after that featured ... Every feature killed, re-released freestyle, he killed.
But ... So to come out of that, and then have all the hype of the 'Revenge Of The Dreamer
3' picture sessions, and then you give us that? Which, I will give you, he started off
the record strong. It's hard. And then it putts out, probably somewhere to the ... to
the line where he gets a ... where he gets a line where he says "I'm the ..." What he
said? Oldest and the young ... "I'm little bro and big bro all at once." That was hard
to me.
Mouse Jones: But in between, it was a bunch of lazy-
Mouse Jones: Lazy lyrics.
Rob Markman: Lazy lyrics? You sure?
Gia Peppers: I don't think lazy lyrics. I think, honestly, J Cole is one of the only
rappers who actually tries to say something in this day and age. Like, he actually tries
to let people know that at the end of the day, I'm going through these different experiences,
yeah I probably ... He probably got more money than a lot of the people who are listening,
you know, to these records right now, but he is like "I'm not really sitting here telling
you like, yo, you should go flex and get 16 cars and you know, have a video and blah blah
blah blah blah. I'm going through interesting things too because I've been in this game
long enough now that I know enough. But I'm not at a Jay Z level yet."
Gia Peppers: He knows he's not Jay Z. That's the point of, you know, "I can go to lunch
with Jay Z, I can go to lunch with Kodak." I think it's really dope for him to actually
say something with his songs, and I think with 'KOD' and with all these things,
he was ... He's decided "You know what, I can talk about all the things that I have
access to, but I'ma talk about what's real and what's true and what needs to be said
that no one else is saying."
Mouse Jones: The same way the drug dealers can't stay the drug dealers, right? Like,
that's everybody's argument with older rappers, like "Oh, you still selling drugs, what happened?"
You know? You're not a drug dealer no more, we hope! The same is with the struggle. J.
Cole is stuck in "I slept on such and such couch, I slept in here-"
Rob Markman: Not on this song, though!
Gia Peppers: I don't think that.
Rob Markman: In this song he's talking about Rolexes, and ... But listen, because I don't
think he places value in those things, even the thing about his Bentley, the dirty Bentley-
Rob Markman: And I have a Bentley, I have the money to get the Bentley-
Rob Markman: ... I just don't care enough to get it washed every day and be seen.
Rob Markman: And so I think there's an elevation in Cole.
Mouse Jones: That's dumb. That's dumb. Just don't get the Bentley.
Jameer Pond: Honda Civic owner right here, baby. Got in?
Jameer Pond: Hey. Okay. So, I will agree with Mouse. I thought it was mid. I loved the concept,
because I feel like I'm a middle child right now.
Gia Peppers: Me too! Feel that.
Jameer Pond: Going in between the eras of hip-hop, and accepting the littles but accepting
the OGs. Get it. My always consistent problem with J.Cole is that I feel like his production
tends to get lazy. His production, to me, is very mid. And what he may be saying could
be fire! This is the reason why he killed so many features.
Mouse Jones: 'Cause he didn't produce!
Rob Markman: Okay, but he didn't produce one either, T-Minus produced it!
Jameer Pond: I know, but this was a very J. Cole-esque produced song.
Mouse Jones: T-Minus threw J. Cole a J. Cole beat.
Jameer Pond: A J Cole ... right! I'm like, "Why even bother? Why didn't you just make
the beat yourself?" It was, to me ... To me, the beat was lazy. The production was lazy.
The concept was on point, and I-
Mouse Jones: I will argue. I will argue that.
Jameer Pond: The concept?
Mouse Jones: You can't do that Drake flow. I don't care where Drake got it from. You
can't do that Drake flow and try and put conscious bars in it. It doesn't work.
Gia Peppers: Why not?
Mouse Jones: Did you hear it?
Gia Peppers: I liked the record. I didn't think there was any-
Gia Peppers: ... It wasn't the greatest J Cole record of all time-
Mouse Jones: That's what I'm ... I didn't say it was bad! It's not fire. It's not ... No
fire emojis.
Gia Peppers: I actually really liked it.
Rob Markman: You said it was mid. I-
Mouse Jones: Yes, mid!
Rob Markman: ... I think mid is-
Mouse Jones: Mid ain't bad!
Jameer Pond: Not jumping out the window with it.
Rob Markman: Yeah, I don't think it was a jump out the window record. I don't think
he even intended for a hit single or a smash-
Rob Markman: ... or shake shit up. I think it's like, "This is what I wanna say right
now."
Gia Peppers: This is what I wanna say!
Rob Markman: This is the beat ... It wasn't even about the beat, it was like "Give me
a beat with enough space so I can get off what I gotta say."
Gia Peppers: Right!
Rob Markman: Sometimes to get off what you gotta say, you kinda need to dial that beat
back a bit because then the beat overpowers. "I need the space to say what I'm about to
say."
Mouse Jones: Go ahead.
Rob Markman: I know where we gonna go with this.
Mouse Jones: You could've out-barred him.
Rob Markman: Listen!
Rob Markman: I'm nice, but...
Jameer Pond: It was aight, though.
Rob Markman: Listen, but hold on then. I feel bad asking this question, now, 'cause I see
where it's going, but ...
Gia Peppers: I'm scared already.
Rob Markman: He don't even have a chance with Mouse Jones in the room. But there's a bar
in here that says "To the OGs, I'm thanking you now, I was watching you while you was
paving the ground, I copied your cadence, I mirrored your style, I studied the greats,
I'm the greatest right now."
Mouse Jones: He's smoking dope. He's a dope. He's a dope.
Gia Peppers: That's really annoying.
Mouse Jones: What am I ... right here? Is it right here? Is it dope you smoke, J Cole?
Is it crack? It is something.
Mouse Jones: He needs to give Soulja Boy's drugs back.
Rob Markman: He's not the greatest ... Does anybody believe that J Cole is the greatest
right now?
Gia Peppers: Right now? No.
Jameer Pond: I think he's one of them.
Mouse Jones: Not even one of them!
Jameer Pond: He's in the conversation.
Gia Peppers: He's in the conversation.
Mouse Jones: Why is he in the conversation? Because there's not that many people?
Gia Peppers: Cole is a talented artist!
Gia Peppers: He's talented.
Mouse Jones: If there's a top 3 ... if there's a top 5, right now, J. Cole's in it?
Jameer Pond: Coming off the ... Are we talking about coming off the year he just had?
Mouse Jones: What number is he?
Gia Peppers: What are you talking about?
Gia Peppers: Are you talking about the Middle Child rappers, or are you talking about Wale,
Sean, Cole ...
Mouse Jones: I'm talking Wale. He's not better than Wale. He's not better than Kendrick.
Jameer Pond: He's not better than Kendrick.
Gia Peppers: Not better than Kendrick.
Mouse Jones: He's not better ... You know where he is. 'Cause I gotta move ... Drake
has, right, we move Drake up, so okay.
Jameer Pond: Point is, Cole is in the conversation.
Mouse Jones: I rescind the statement. I rescind my thing.
Rob Markman: Cole's in the conversation.
Mouse Jones: I mean, like that level though? He's nowhere.
Rob Markman: And it's two things that we talk ... 'Cause when we talk this bar talk, I just
wanna be clear, there's certain guys who never get brought up in this kind of mainstream
conversation. And you know, I'm talking about the Royce Da 5'9"s.
Mouse Jones: Yeah.
Rob Markman: You know what I'm saying? I think what CyHi did on his last album, 'No Church
On Sunday,' which was maybe a year and a half ago now, incredible when you talk about
lyrically. There's some guys who can just do that. I feel like Cole's not necessarily
putting himself in that category-
Jameer Pond: Right.
Rob Markman: ... but in terms of guys that's on the mainstream who can rap really fucking
well overall...
Rob Markman: So he's in the conversation.
Mouse Jones: If we're using those qualifiers, if we're using the qualifiers as he's the
top 5 of the mainstream people that can rap, sure.
Mouse Jones: But then when we take that qualifier away and we're just saying top 5 spitters,
he has to go.
Rob Markman: Well, well, everybody has to go.
Jameer Pond: There's a lot of people that would have to go.
Rob Markman: Who's at the top of that list.
Mouse Jones: Right now?
Mouse Jones: Who active right now? Top 5 spitters who's active right now?
Gia Peppers: So, who do you think?
Mouse Jones: It's still Kendrick, it's still Wale-
Rob Markman: Wale, I agree, I think Wale never gets the credit as a lyricist-
Mouse Jones: I'm going to...
Rob Markman: ... and Wale, right, and we always give him that credit.
Mouse Jones: Wale been spitting ... He's been spitting stupidly.
Rob Markman: Agreed.
Mouse Jones: Forever.
Rob Markman: Agreed.
Mouse Jones: Even on records that people wanna say "Ah, this record wasn't what it ..." You
go back to that album and you will find bars upon bars. Whether it's wrestling, sports-
Rob Markman: Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. No, no, no … qualms about that.
Mouse Jones: And Cole's not touching it. Cole's not touching it. He's not touching it.
Rob Markman: But when they rhyme together, they definitely ... on "My Boy."
Rob Markman: It's like you rise to the occasion. Like, you kind of tailor your style. I think
Cole is at a point where it's like, I could gas up on the wordplay at certain points,
but certain records I make I gotta kinda pull back and do more storytelling. But all of
that's a form of rapping.
Mouse Jones: Sure!
Rob Markman: He could definitely rap with those guys. He could rap with the best of
them.
Mouse Jones: Sure. Yeah. Yeah!
Jameer Pond: And that's why he's in the conversation.
Mouse Jones: You put him on the practice squad.
Gia Peppers: No! You are lying.
Jameer Pond: So, I guess it depends on who people top ... like, their 5 is.
Gia Peppers: And what's your preferences to delivery, to what the lyrical content, who
you want to see ...
Mouse Jones: I do like girl record Cole. Which I never thought I would, but I ... what he
performed last year with his verse on "Pretty Little Fears." That's gonna go down in-
Mouse Jones: I'm saying now, that's gonna go down as one of my favorite verses ever, But also Tribe.
Mouse Jones: "Tribe" was a sneaky one, right?
'Cause I listened to "Tribe" for like 2 months and had no idea that this was a record about a girl,
then I revisited it a few months later, I was like "Oh he's really like-"
Rob Markman: The shit he did on 21 Savage, on "A Lot." That one was
Jameer Pond: Boblo boat. Fire. American Dreamin'
Rob Markman: So he's in the fucking conversation. I just wanna make sure that
Mouse Jones: I just say if we use those qualifiers that you said first, the top five of mainstream
artists that can rap, yes. If we remove that qualifier, I think he's top ten not top 5
Rob Markman: One of the things I think Cole is great at ... We were talking about this
earlier with the homies is, he makes you pay attention to the music, right? Because he
really comes outside ... It's not ... You don't look to Cole for fashion.
Rob Markman: You know, he'll come and sell out MSG.
Jameer Pond: Ball shorts.
Rob Markman: In ball shorts, some Jays.
Jameer Pond: Yeah.
Rob Markman: You know what I'm saying? So you don't look to him for fashion? You're
not looking to him for chains.
Gia Peppers: Nope.
Rob Markman: It's not ... All the other shit that we pay attention to, as rap fans, quote
unquote, that matter and put people over the top ... Cole has none of that. Cole makes
you just focus on the music.
Gia Peppers: Yes.
Rob Markman: And goes around selling out-
Gia Peppers: Everywhere.
Rob Markman: ... arenas.
Rob Markman: And people really fuck with it. That ... I gotta put him in the category,
that shit is hard to ... in 2019?
Gia Peppers: That's hard to do!
Rob Markman: He don't even tweet.
Gia Peppers: Not on Instagram.
Rob Markman: We see him learning Twitter like right now.
Rob Markman: And that shit is dope, 'cause all he does is fucking rap.
Jameer Pond: But I would say Kendrick is kind of on a similar plane.
Mouse Jones: Kendrick has a certain star power.
Jameer Pond: Yeah, but he doesn't ... He don't come outside, he don't tweet. You know, he's
not active on social media.
Mouse Jones: But there's an aesthetic. Kendrick has an aesthetic that J. Cole doesn't have.
Jameer Pond: Yes. He has that aura.
Gia Peppers: And I also think that Kendrick and TDE, their whole team is really strategic.
Jameer Pond: Yes.
Gia Peppers: So, they're like "Well, there's a Dope Beats commercial that we can make fire
here, let's do it." I feel like Cole is like, "I don't really need a beats ..."
Mouse Jones: Well, Kendrick is marketable.
Gia Peppers: That's what I'm saying!
Gia Peppers: Well, I don't think J. Cole isn't marketable, so much-
Rob Markman: I don't think J. Cole wants to market.
Gia Peppers: Yeah, I don't think he wants the ...
Jameer Pond: He doesn't want it.
Rob Markman: 'Cause first of all, I don't know ... Look, if we talking about "Folding
Clothes..."
Mouse Jones: Oh, God.
Rob Markman: Me being me, I'd have went to go get me a Tide commercial. Febreeze.
Gia Peppers: Smart.
Rob Markman: That shit would have been everywhere if that was me.
Mouse Jones: You gotta look like you wash clothes.
Gia Peppers: They would've re-twisted his locks and put him up in a man bun like yours.
Mouse Jones: No they wouldn't have. He would've let them do it!
Rob Markman: To put the song in the Tide pods commercial-
Gia Peppers: Exactly.
Rob Markman: You know what I'm saying?
Mouse Jones: Everybody gonna fall asleep.
Jameer Pond: I can't stand that song, I'm sorry.
Gia Peppers: I love that song. I want someone to fold clothes for me.
Mouse Jones: Yo, the bar is set so low!
Rob Markman: ... I just think he purposely doesn't want that.
Jameer Pond: I agree. I agree.
Rob Markman: You know what I'm saying? I think if he wanted it, he could have it.
Gia Peppers: Right.
Rob Markman: And maybe he would have to play the game a little bit.
Gia Peppers: Yeah.
Rob Markman: But there's a guy who's like "Yo, I'm not playing the game."
Gia Peppers: I think what happened was, I think because Cole had to play the bench so
long, and those moments where he was like "I just want it. I want it." Even we hear
on "Mr. Nice Watch" and all these songs where he was like "I just want it. I just
want it." And then he finally got it, I think he realized none of this is what it seems.
Gia Peppers: So now, I think he feels like "Alright, so I can absolutely just move back
to North Carolina, be with my girl, have a kid, chill out. Go out to the studio when
I feel like it, and leave, and I don't have to play the game."
Rob Markman: That was the dope part of "Middle Child," too, that I liked, when he was just
like "Yo, I thought I was rich but ... Not until the rest of my team."
Gia Peppers: Right!
Rob Markman: "Not until we all ..." To me, that was the jewel of the record. What did
we think of the Kanye shots, or the-
Gia Peppers: The sneakers.
Rob Markman: ... do we all ... The sneaker shots?
Mouse Jones: They could've been tougher. And I know this is gonna sound crazy, coming from
me ... You can't kick somebody when they down, and somebody who can't rap back. You can't
do that.
Rob Markman: I've seen you kick a couple people when they down.
Gia Peppers: Wow, call him out! Call him out.
Mouse Jones: Name one. Name one.
Jameer Pond: I'm not gonna name anybody.
Gia Peppers: There's too many.
Mouse Jones: But he can't attack somebody that can't rap back! What the hell
is he gonna do?
Jameer Pond: He needs his ghost writers.
Gia Peppers: He can put out a track...
Gia Peppers: He can rap on a voice note and tweet it.
Mouse Jones: Kanye isn't respond to anyone about a diss, because it doesn't make ... What
is Kanye gonna say to anyone? His wife is Kim Kardashian. You have a target on your
back. It don't make no sense to-
Jameer Pond: I saw the tape.
Rob Markman: Let me ask you a question-
Rob Markman: The Pusha T tweet. On Wednesday, before Cole drops the record, Pusha T sends
a tweet that says "You tried it, you failed. I'm hearing you wanna try again. This time,
I'm not gonna play with you. Any of you." And I think most people assumed it was for
Drake, because of the battle that they had all summer.
Gia Peppers: Mm-hmm. What a battle.
Rob Markman: But after I heard "Middle Child," I'm like "Is this Pusha again coming to the
defense of Kanye? Did he catch wind of "Middle Child" before the rest of us?" 'Cause remember,
this is the guy who said, you know ... What he say? "I came on there just to rhyme with
him, think '99, when Puff would've had Shyne with him."
Rob Markman: The whole Drake and Pusha beef is really Pusha in defense of Kanye.
Gia Peppers: Right.
Rob Markman: From years ago, "The throne is for the taking, watch me take it."
Gia Peppers: Mm-hmm.
Rob Markman: And then we know we had "False Prophets."
Rob Markman: I don't know, I'm just speculating.
Mouse Jones: I don't think this one is about J. Cole. Now, Pusha T is somebody who I've
watched ... He knows that pen is deadly, and he don't waste those bars. That would be a
waste of bars. From what we just heard? That'd be a waste. I think he probably might have
heard, maybe something from 40's girlfriend again.
Gia Peppers: There it is.
Rob Markman: Yeah. But no! There's also-
Gia Peppers: It could've been-
Rob Markman: ... There's also a precedent for that, because during their battle, Pusha
sends another tweet, "Oh, I heard you put such and such money out for information. You
not gonna get it."
Rob Markman: So, Pusha is definitely this ... Certainly a league of information that's
coming Pusha's way.
Gia Peppers: Yes! Pusha seems like the dude that you talk to in the studio and then you
don't think he's gonna ... You think he's Big Bro, you don't think he's gonna let anything out of y'all conversation,
he was like "Well, actually, I'm petty."
Gia Peppers: What was said was ...
Rob Markman: But not really. But Pusha's also not, you know, for lack of a better word,
messy.
Gia Peppers: He's not messy!
Rob Markman: Outside of this Drake situation, it's like "Okay, well whatever information
I have, I'm using to my competitive-"
Gia Peppers: Right, he has lethal ... He has lethal advantage in certain places, and I
think he's been in this industry long enough to know who to talk to if he wants to get
information.
Rob Markman: 'Cause I don't wanna play it like-
Gia Peppers: But I don't think he's a bad person. He's not.
Rob Markman: I don't wanna play it like he's like Twitter fingers or something, or like
a chatty cathy.
Mouse Jones: Like Pusha's under The Shade Room comments like ...
Gia Peppers: Ooh, I see you.
Jameer Pond: He's wise enough now to play the game. He's of a certain age.
Rob Markman: Do we think this ... So, do we think Drake and Pusha is gonna kick back up?
Mouse Jones: If I'm Pusha, I'm taking my bowl and going home, I beat you already.
Rob Markman: Yeah, I got the W. I think it's almost-
Mouse Jones: Like, I just beat you, I beat the hell out of you!
Rob Markman: And if you're Drake ... Drake took the L.
Jameer Pond: You don't have nothing to gain from it.
Mouse Jones: Took and L and got a win
Rob Markman: And still streaming.
Jameer Pond: He had nothing to gain. He had nothing anymore to gain.
Mouse Jones: But I think that what that battle did ... I mean, it would benefit Drake to
try and kick some dust back up.
Rob Markman: Only if he wins, though. But if he takes 2 L's … That's Cool J.
Mouse Jones: Look, you got the Panther album right there
Gia Peppers: Ta-da! He's gonna come out in the back and play.
Mouse Jones: What I see it only benefiting Drake, because this is the chink in Drake's
armor, right?
Gia Peppers: Yes!
Mouse Jones: Before, when it was the Quentin Miller, and he has writers, and we were trying
to oust him from hip-hop, it was like "Ah, it's really still hard." Right? But now we
seen, he went toe to toe with somebody who really raps, and got dog walked.
Shout out Cardi.
Rob Markman: Right, shout out Cardi.
Jameer Pond: But do you think that had a huge mainstream effect on Drake?
Rob Markman: I don't think it affected-
Mouse Jones: But it affected the hip-hop. Sure!
Rob Markman: ... I don't think it affected Drake, it didn't hurt his bottom line at all.
Rob Markman: But I think Drake, at the same time, as a hip-hop head, comes from the same
school that we come to.
Rob Markman: And there's an ego part of it that ... You can't be a rapper who prides
himself in his lyrics, which Drake does, and that L sits good with you in any way.
Mouse Jones: You think he threw out the microphone?
Jameer Pond: He had to throw out the mic.
Mouse Jones: He threw it out?
Jameer Pond: He might've cried one more tear and then put-
Rob Markman: I think the microphone's probably been in storage for years. This whole shit's
been brewing for years. That microphone is long gone.
Mouse Jones: Now that he went and found that- Ahh!
Rob Markman: I wanna get to one more thing before we move on, because ... You know, out
of all this, we get a dope record.
Jameer Pond: Yeah.
Rob Markman: Or what I believe is a dope record. Mouse feels different.
Mouse Jones: We're talking about "Middle Child?"
Rob Markman: We're talking about "Middle Child."
Gia Peppers: A mid record, from Mouse.
Rob Markman: We get a bunch of things to kind of talk about, a possible Cole Kanye thing,
how does Pusha play into all this? And dah dah dah dah, here comes Tory Lanez, seizing
the opportunity.
Rob Markman: "I'm the best rapper alive right now."
Jameer Pond: Oh my god.
Gia Peppers: No, he was just trying to-
Mouse Jones: Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing about Tory Lanez. Soulja Boy did
this last week. So you're late. You're late! Soulja Boy already did this last week.
Gia Peppers: DRAAAKE!
Rob Markman: Well, well ... Well, Tory did it a month ago.
Mouse Jones: Yeah, but no one cared when Tory ... Tory is literally ... Literally and figurative,
he's like the little guy. He's like, "Move, man! Shut up!"
Jameer Pond: I, too, watch smack battles, so I, too, feel like I can rap sometimes.
You know what I'm saying?
Gia Peppers: That's really crazy.
Rob Markman: What did you think of the Joyner Lucas battle? 'Cause I think he surprised
a lot of people. I didn't know Tory ... And I've known Tory for a long time, give him
his props for what he's done musically ... I didn't know he had that level in him when
he was going back and forth with Joyner.
Jameer Pond: He cool, but when you step in the arena with real killers. Like, c'mon,
what are we doing here?
Mouse Jones: It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Gia Peppers: Yeah, it isn't ... it's not ... It just didn't even make any sense.
Mouse Jones: He put emojis in it! He put the purple devil emoji in it!
Rob Markman: The purple devil emoji!
Mouse Jones: That was spicy! That was, what are you, taunting or flirting? Which one?
Jameer Pond: It was a little bit of both.
Rob Markman: Sure, but wasn't that a nod to the Kanye bit?
Gia Peppers: Do you guys wanna switch-
Rob Markman: "Don't text me no purple devil emoji." Wasn't that his whole deal with Drake?
Gia Peppers: Oh!
Mouse Jones: No! No, no! No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not calculated.
'Cause if he was calculated, he wouldn't have let us see that he had bald head.
Gia Peppers: Okay.
Rob Markman: Tory says that he called out Cole and Pusha, and nobody responded that
they weren't ready.
Mouse Jones: Thank God.
Rob Markman: So you don't think, Cole isn't worried about Tory Lanez?
Mouse Jones: That one person is Tory Lanez.
Gia Peppers: ... Tory is trolling. Tory is trolling.
Mouse Jones: The scary part is he might not be ... He might not be trolling.
Rob Markman: But I also think he just wants to rap, which is cool. The whole shit with
him and Joyner, which was cool, was like ...
Mouse Jones: That wasn't beef. It was-
Rob Markman: It didn't go any farther. It was just like, "Yo, I want to rap."
Jameer Pond: Yeah.
Mouse Jones: And I like that. I like that energy.
Rob Markman: That is dope.
Mouse Jones: But what I want, I want to see real rappers do that.
Jameer Pond: Right! That's-
Mouse Jones: I want to see that spark Pusha or somebody, or even a Big Sean, or even a
J.I.D, somebody to just be like "Yeah, I could ... I'll bar you and pop." I would've loved
to see that, but ...
Gia Peppers: But I don't think people see him as legit competition yet. They don't even
see him as like a, "Oh, Tory's coming for me, I have to respond." They don't ...
Rob Markman: Plus, I also think Pusha-
Gia Peppers: Not yet!
Rob Markman: ... Pusha, and even Cole, there's a difference too. Because Pusha's not the
type to just competitive battle you.
Gia Peppers: Right.
Rob Markman: Like battle you for fun. I feel like Pusha has to have a legit problem. And
I feel like Cole's the same thing. I think if they'd rap for fun, I think it'd be cool
to be competitive, but I just don't think that's where Pusha or Cole is at in their
career.
Mouse Jones: I don't even think Pusha should waste a "ugh" on him.
Jameer Pond: Tory, go to smack! Just go to smack!
Jameer Pond: Just battle at smack!
Mouse Jones: You can't battle nobody and you wear the little choker chains.
Jameer Pond: You can! Go battle at-
Mouse Jones: Who'd wanna battle that one wearing the little choker chains?
Gia Peppers: First of all, everybody wears the choker chain.
Mouse Jones: Not nobody battling
Mouse Jones: That was a dog leash.
Rob Markman: All right, listen. I see where this whole thing is going now.
Jameer Pond: Fire. Fire battle, by the way.
Rob Markman: We gonna steer away from that.
Gia Peppers: You really get on my nerves.
Rob Markman: No, I appreciate y'all for coming through for For The Record, to discuss in
this ... I just wanna talk rap with my friends, man, like we get these dope rap moments where
we can sit down and kind of discuss, and argue, and agree or disagree. And you know, wear
cool jackets, man, it's amazing.
Rob Markman: That's a good jacket, man. But no. Thank you for coming to For The Record
this week.
Mouse Jones: Thank you for having us.
Rob Markman: Thank y'all for tuning in. Let us know what you feel in the comments. I know
Dreamville's gonna be all over this. We've been expecting you. Let's talk. See you next
week. Peace.
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